Jamie Kuntz is 18, and WAS a member of the North Dakota State College of Science football team. Until the coach caught Kuntz, who was benched due to an injury, making out with his boyfriend during a game. Coach Chuck Parsons took Kuntz aside after the game, asked him to explain himself(?), and Kuntz felt pressured to lie and say it was a familial kiss between relatives. [Ed. note – “So that’s how it is in their family…” – Principal Ed Rooney, Ferris Bueller’s Day Off] Kuntz later regretted lying, came out to his Coach and explained that he had been kissing his boyfriend. Coach Parsons threw him off the team, and Kuntz ended up dropping out of school.
Queerty:
“He said he didn’t care what people did in their personal lives but it was a big mistake to do that on a football trip,” said Kuntz. “I said, yeah, I made a big mistake and I apologized again for lying. Then he handed me a letter and said he was kicking me off the team because what I did was ‘detrimental’ to the team and I was a ‘distraction.’”
That’s bullshit and someone has an issue with one of their players being gay, right? Because Jamie claims that “other teammates have been caught drinking and going into 21-and-over clubs. Others have criminal charges and convictions, both misdemeanors and felonies, and have remained active players.” This is pretty clear.
So then we found out that Kuntz’s boyfriend is 65. When he told the coach that he was a relative, he said that his bf was his grandfather. Ok, so am I a totally dick for thinking that’s skeevy? Be honest with me, I can take it.
What do they talk about?
Kuntz says he’s into older guys, and obviously his bf likes incredibly young, nubile ass. I know, it’s none of my business. My initial reaction is judgey, and they are two consenting adults. But I’m wondering if the January/December (way earlier than May) relationship had more to do with Kuntz being kicked off the team than his liking dick did. Let’s talk about this. Please comment below.
– J. Harvey
I think having such an age gap in a relationship is a little extreme. I can understand an age gap of 15 years at most for gay relationships (we are a minority after all and can’t be too picky), but further than that… it’s freaking 40 years or so!
I agree with Harvey in the matter that the age gap was probably more the reason he got kicked off the the team than his liking dick. You don’t see such age gaps any other places than arranged marriages in the middle-east and such. I also find it slightly disturbing in a way. But if he can explain further than liking older men, I might become more openminded about it.
It’s not ANY of their business. Consenting adults. Just because the other bf is 65, doesn’t mean he is taking advantage of him. I was dating 35 year olds in HS (hated people my age, still not a fan of them due to maturity issues) and in not one of those relationships was I not a 50/50 participant. It’s enculturated nonsense and we really have to start getting over the puritanical bs.
Um, do you think one of his teammates would have been kicked off the team for kissing his 65 year-old cougar girlfriend?
I think not.
Regardless of how you feel about the age gap, society decided 18 years old is the age of consent. So basically what was going on there, were two consenting adults kissing. He shouldn’t be kicked out of the team. Period.
On a personal level I feel this guy should totally seek therapy.
Regardless of how you feel about the age gap, society decided 18 years old is the age of consent. So basically what was going on there, were two consenting adults kissing. He shouldn’t be kicked out of the team. Period.
On a personal level I feel this guy should totally seek therapy.
Regardless of how you feel about the age gap, society decided 18 years old is the age of consent. So basically what was going on there, were two consenting adults kissing. He shouldn’t be kicked out of the team. Period.
On a personal level I feel this guy should totally seek therapy.
yuck – i just threw up a little bit
yuck – i just threw up a little bit
yuck – i just threw up a little bit
If the age difference is fine for both of them, then it’s fine for me. Yes, 18 is still pretty young to be making informed decisions (we all can remember how naive we were at 18) but it’s legal and there’s no reason for him to be kicked off the team, esp. if other teammates have criminal charges but are still playing. Fact remains, str8s are more comfortable with men being violent with each other v. being romantic with each other. I can’t even tell you how fucked up that is.
If the age difference is fine for both of them, then it’s fine for me. Yes, 18 is still pretty young to be making informed decisions (we all can remember how naive we were at 18) but it’s legal and there’s no reason for him to be kicked off the team, esp. if other teammates have criminal charges but are still playing. Fact remains, str8s are more comfortable with men being violent with each other v. being romantic with each other. I can’t even tell you how fucked up that is.
If the age difference is fine for both of them, then it’s fine for me. Yes, 18 is still pretty young to be making informed decisions (we all can remember how naive we were at 18) but it’s legal and there’s no reason for him to be kicked off the team, esp. if other teammates have criminal charges but are still playing. Fact remains, str8s are more comfortable with men being violent with each other v. being romantic with each other. I can’t even tell you how fucked up that is.
This guy should totally seek therapy? You do understand that that is what a huge number of people say about any boy (whatever the age) who wants to kiss another boy (whatever the age) should do, right? Will *never* understand gay people who want to pass judgment on the health/normalcy/advisability/decency of other people’s erotic or romantic predilections.
This guy should totally seek therapy? You do understand that that is what a huge number of people say about any boy (whatever the age) who wants to kiss another boy (whatever the age) should do, right? Will *never* understand gay people who want to pass judgment on the health/normalcy/advisability/decency of other people’s erotic or romantic predilections.
This guy should totally seek therapy? You do understand that that is what a huge number of people say about any boy (whatever the age) who wants to kiss another boy (whatever the age) should do, right? Will *never* understand gay people who want to pass judgment on the health/normalcy/advisability/decency of other people’s erotic or romantic predilections.
This isn’t a May/December romance, it is a May/Next December romance. While I support their right as consenting adults to do as they please, personally, I’ll pass.
more power to him if hr knows what he wants at 18 there is too much bigotry even in the gay community itself!!
more power to him if hr knows what he wants at 18 there is too much bigotry even in the gay community itself!!
more power to him if hr knows what he wants at 18 there is too much bigotry even in the gay community itself!!
the correct response is ‘if they’re both hot who care’.
Glad that Jamie Kuntz has found himself someone He feels love for, but sorry that his coach doesn’t feel the same; how did Jamie’s kiss hurt anyone or interfere with the game?
Glad that Jamie Kuntz has found himself someone He feels love for, but sorry that his coach doesn’t feel the same; how did Jamie’s kiss hurt anyone or interfere with the game?
Glad that Jamie Kuntz has found himself someone He feels love for, but sorry that his coach doesn’t feel the same; how did Jamie’s kiss hurt anyone or interfere with the game?
Glad that Jamie Kuntz has found himself someone He feels love for, but sorry that his coach doesn’t feel the same; how did Jamie’s kiss hurt anyone or interfere with the game?
Glad that Jamie Kuntz has found himself someone He feels love for, but sorry that his coach doesn’t feel the same; how did Jamie’s kiss hurt anyone or interfere with the game?
Just another example that the gay community is obsessed with youth and being pretty. If it had been a 23 year old boyfriend, no one would have batted an eye. The fact that someone asks to discuss the age difference, shows we have a long way to go. We march in parades and file lawsuits to demand equality, but when the youthful beauty law of the gay community is tossed aside, we turn on our own. Shameful.
Just another example that the gay community is obsessed with youth and being pretty. If it had been a 23 year old boyfriend, no one would have batted an eye. The fact that someone asks to discuss the age difference, shows we have a long way to go. We march in parades and file lawsuits to demand equality, but when the youthful beauty law of the gay community is tossed aside, we turn on our own. Shameful.
Just another example that the gay community is obsessed with youth and being pretty. If it had been a 23 year old boyfriend, no one would have batted an eye. The fact that someone asks to discuss the age difference, shows we have a long way to go. We march in parades and file lawsuits to demand equality, but when the youthful beauty law of the gay community is tossed aside, we turn on our own. Shameful.
Just another example that the gay community is obsessed with youth and being pretty. If it had been a 23 year old boyfriend, no one would have batted an eye. The fact that someone asks to discuss the age difference, shows we have a long way to go. We march in parades and file lawsuits to demand equality, but when the youthful beauty law of the gay community is tossed aside, we turn on our own. Shameful.
Just another example that the gay community is obsessed with youth and being pretty. If it had been a 23 year old boyfriend, no one would have batted an eye. The fact that someone asks to discuss the age difference, shows we have a long way to go. We march in parades and file lawsuits to demand equality, but when the youthful beauty law of the gay community is tossed aside, we turn on our own. Shameful.
With the exception of GayMeUp, thank you all – you included, J. Harvey – for proving once again how bigoted gay people are. You don’t know Kuntz. You don’t know his boyfriend. You don’t know if they have a deep, meaningful relationship or are just feeding their hormones. Either way, not only is it none of your business, you wouldn’t be able to have an informed opinion even if it were.
Kuntz wasn’t signing a contract to define his future professional career. He wasn’t voting, he didn’t sign up for the armed forces, he wasn’t adopting a kid. He wasn’t doing anything that had either profound personal weight or relevance to the rest of society. Making out is making out.
It’s stupid enough that you believe that even a legal adult (in a Moral Majority society of ours that vastly underestimates what could biologically pass for ‘adulthood’) has made a condemnable decision in this case, but it’s particularly idiotic to criminalize all sexual activity between adults and post-pubescent people under 18 under the assumption that it will be inherently abusive.
Dicks inside orificies have zero inherent implications of abuse. Abiding by this logic, the far more highly prevalent practice of domestic spouse abuse would be grounds for banning heterosexual adult sex. But none of this probably matters, because for all their holier than thou attitude of progressivism, most gay people are still hypocritical, bigoted little fucks who will hop on Jerry Falwell’s bandwagon when it comes to certain issues, such as this one.
With the exception of GayMeUp, thank you all – you included, J. Harvey – for proving once again how bigoted gay people are. You don’t know Kuntz. You don’t know his boyfriend. You don’t know if they have a deep, meaningful relationship or are just feeding their hormones. Either way, not only is it none of your business, you wouldn’t be able to have an informed opinion even if it were.
Kuntz wasn’t signing a contract to define his future professional career. He wasn’t voting, he didn’t sign up for the armed forces, he wasn’t adopting a kid. He wasn’t doing anything that had either profound personal weight or relevance to the rest of society. Making out is making out.
It’s stupid enough that you believe that even a legal adult (in a Moral Majority society of ours that vastly underestimates what could biologically pass for ‘adulthood’) has made a condemnable decision in this case, but it’s particularly idiotic to criminalize all sexual activity between adults and post-pubescent people under 18 under the assumption that it will be inherently abusive.
Dicks inside orificies have zero inherent implications of abuse. Abiding by this logic, the far more highly prevalent practice of domestic spouse abuse would be grounds for banning heterosexual adult sex. But none of this probably matters, because for all their holier than thou attitude of progressivism, most gay people are still hypocritical, bigoted little fucks who will hop on Jerry Falwell’s bandwagon when it comes to certain issues, such as this one.
With the exception of GayMeUp, thank you all – you included, J. Harvey – for proving once again how bigoted gay people are. You don’t know Kuntz. You don’t know his boyfriend. You don’t know if they have a deep, meaningful relationship or are just feeding their hormones. Either way, not only is it none of your business, you wouldn’t be able to have an informed opinion even if it were.
Kuntz wasn’t signing a contract to define his future professional career. He wasn’t voting, he didn’t sign up for the armed forces, he wasn’t adopting a kid. He wasn’t doing anything that had either profound personal weight or relevance to the rest of society. Making out is making out.
It’s stupid enough that you believe that even a legal adult (in a Moral Majority society of ours that vastly underestimates what could biologically pass for ‘adulthood’) has made a condemnable decision in this case, but it’s particularly idiotic to criminalize all sexual activity between adults and post-pubescent people under 18 under the assumption that it will be inherently abusive.
Dicks inside orificies have zero inherent implications of abuse. Abiding by this logic, the far more highly prevalent practice of domestic spouse abuse would be grounds for banning heterosexual adult sex. But none of this probably matters, because for all their holier than thou attitude of progressivism, most gay people are still hypocritical, bigoted little fucks who will hop on Jerry Falwell’s bandwagon when it comes to certain issues, such as this one.
With the exception of GayMeUp, thank you all – you included, J. Harvey – for proving once again how bigoted gay people are. You don’t know Kuntz. You don’t know his boyfriend. You don’t know if they have a deep, meaningful relationship or are just feeding their hormones. Either way, not only is it none of your business, you wouldn’t be able to have an informed opinion even if it were.
Kuntz wasn’t signing a contract to define his future professional career. He wasn’t voting, he didn’t sign up for the armed forces, he wasn’t adopting a kid. He wasn’t doing anything that had either profound personal weight or relevance to the rest of society. Making out is making out.
It’s stupid enough that you believe that even a legal adult (in a Moral Majority society of ours that vastly underestimates what could biologically pass for ‘adulthood’) has made a condemnable decision in this case, but it’s particularly idiotic to criminalize all sexual activity between adults and post-pubescent people under 18 under the assumption that it will be inherently abusive.
Dicks inside orificies have zero inherent implications of abuse. Abiding by this logic, the far more highly prevalent practice of domestic spouse abuse would be grounds for banning heterosexual adult sex. But none of this probably matters, because for all their holier than thou attitude of progressivism, most gay people are still hypocritical, bigoted little fucks who will hop on Jerry Falwell’s bandwagon when it comes to certain issues, such as this one.
With the exception of GayMeUp, thank you all – you included, J. Harvey – for proving once again how bigoted gay people are. You don’t know Kuntz. You don’t know his boyfriend. You don’t know if they have a deep, meaningful relationship or are just feeding their hormones. Either way, not only is it none of your business, you wouldn’t be able to have an informed opinion even if it were.
Kuntz wasn’t signing a contract to define his future professional career. He wasn’t voting, he didn’t sign up for the armed forces, he wasn’t adopting a kid. He wasn’t doing anything that had either profound personal weight or relevance to the rest of society. Making out is making out.
It’s stupid enough that you believe that even a legal adult (in a Moral Majority society of ours that vastly underestimates what could biologically pass for ‘adulthood’) has made a condemnable decision in this case, but it’s particularly idiotic to criminalize all sexual activity between adults and post-pubescent people under 18 under the assumption that it will be inherently abusive.
Dicks inside orificies have zero inherent implications of abuse. Abiding by this logic, the far more highly prevalent practice of domestic spouse abuse would be grounds for banning heterosexual adult sex. But none of this probably matters, because for all their holier than thou attitude of progressivism, most gay people are still hypocritical, bigoted little fucks who will hop on Jerry Falwell’s bandwagon when it comes to certain issues, such as this one.
Ultimately homosexual men have a lot less choice in men than one might think. For example; heterosexual men can date approximately 45% of the worlds population, whilst gay men only have roughly 5% of the population to choose from- this does mean that gay men do often ignore the culturally acceptable (as being gay is often regarded as such) and date older/younger. Really though, nobody knows how the dynamics of a relationship work other than the people who are in it- what they had obviously worked for them. The older guy was getting a hot young plaything, probably made him feel younger too and allowed him to express a caring role and the younger one had the benefit of being looked after. I don;t know how it worked between them, but really as long as people aren’t dating animals I think people should butt out.
Ultimately homosexual men have a lot less choice in men than one might think. For example; heterosexual men can date approximately 45% of the worlds population, whilst gay men only have roughly 5% of the population to choose from- this does mean that gay men do often ignore the culturally acceptable (as being gay is often regarded as such) and date older/younger. Really though, nobody knows how the dynamics of a relationship work other than the people who are in it- what they had obviously worked for them. The older guy was getting a hot young plaything, probably made him feel younger too and allowed him to express a caring role and the younger one had the benefit of being looked after. I don;t know how it worked between them, but really as long as people aren’t dating animals I think people should butt out.
Ultimately homosexual men have a lot less choice in men than one might think. For example; heterosexual men can date approximately 45% of the worlds population, whilst gay men only have roughly 5% of the population to choose from- this does mean that gay men do often ignore the culturally acceptable (as being gay is often regarded as such) and date older/younger. Really though, nobody knows how the dynamics of a relationship work other than the people who are in it- what they had obviously worked for them. The older guy was getting a hot young plaything, probably made him feel younger too and allowed him to express a caring role and the younger one had the benefit of being looked after. I don;t know how it worked between them, but really as long as people aren’t dating animals I think people should butt out.
Ultimately homosexual men have a lot less choice in men than one might think. For example; heterosexual men can date approximately 45% of the worlds population, whilst gay men only have roughly 5% of the population to choose from- this does mean that gay men do often ignore the culturally acceptable (as being gay is often regarded as such) and date older/younger. Really though, nobody knows how the dynamics of a relationship work other than the people who are in it- what they had obviously worked for them. The older guy was getting a hot young plaything, probably made him feel younger too and allowed him to express a caring role and the younger one had the benefit of being looked after. I don;t know how it worked between them, but really as long as people aren’t dating animals I think people should butt out.
Ultimately homosexual men have a lot less choice in men than one might think. For example; heterosexual men can date approximately 45% of the worlds population, whilst gay men only have roughly 5% of the population to choose from- this does mean that gay men do often ignore the culturally acceptable (as being gay is often regarded as such) and date older/younger. Really though, nobody knows how the dynamics of a relationship work other than the people who are in it- what they had obviously worked for them. The older guy was getting a hot young plaything, probably made him feel younger too and allowed him to express a caring role and the younger one had the benefit of being looked after. I don;t know how it worked between them, but really as long as people aren’t dating animals I think people should butt out.
OK, I am gonna judge. I can understand how dating your grandfather might be a bit more distracting than another 18 year old. I’m in my 40’s and I wouldn’t date 65. I’d wanna see a pic of this GILF. Daddy issues are one thing but…eww.
OK, I am gonna judge. I can understand how dating your grandfather might be a bit more distracting than another 18 year old. I’m in my 40’s and I wouldn’t date 65. I’d wanna see a pic of this GILF. Daddy issues are one thing but…eww.
OK, I am gonna judge. I can understand how dating your grandfather might be a bit more distracting than another 18 year old. I’m in my 40’s and I wouldn’t date 65. I’d wanna see a pic of this GILF. Daddy issues are one thing but…eww.
OK, I am gonna judge. I can understand how dating your grandfather might be a bit more distracting than another 18 year old. I’m in my 40’s and I wouldn’t date 65. I’d wanna see a pic of this GILF. Daddy issues are one thing but…eww.
OK, I am gonna judge. I can understand how dating your grandfather might be a bit more distracting than another 18 year old. I’m in my 40’s and I wouldn’t date 65. I’d wanna see a pic of this GILF. Daddy issues are one thing but…eww.
I can only wish to be around when you hit 50 or 60 or 70 and the gay community is writing things like things about you. The gay community is so youth obsessed. Do we think we never age? Shameful.
I can only wish to be around when you hit 50 or 60 or 70 and the gay community is writing things like things about you. The gay community is so youth obsessed. Do we think we never age? Shameful.
I can only wish to be around when you hit 50 or 60 or 70 and the gay community is writing things like things about you. The gay community is so youth obsessed. Do we think we never age? Shameful.
I can only wish to be around when you hit 50 or 60 or 70 and the gay community is writing things like things about you. The gay community is so youth obsessed. Do we think we never age? Shameful.
I can only wish to be around when you hit 50 or 60 or 70 and the gay community is writing things like things about you. The gay community is so youth obsessed. Do we think we never age? Shameful.
oops… “Writing things like this about you.” It’s rough getting old. 🙂
oops… “Writing things like this about you.” It’s rough getting old. 🙂
oops… “Writing things like this about you.” It’s rough getting old. 🙂
I actually am using this in my course I am teaching this fall and prompted the students on just what you are wondering. Is it the age issue or the gay issue? Is it possible that this might be a reaction to Sandusky, with the school trying to cover its ass, especially depending on when he actually turned 18. I had the same reaction the first time, I thought it was a typo. However, whatever flips his quarter, but I do wonder about what exactly the coach was responding to
I actually am using this in my course I am teaching this fall and prompted the students on just what you are wondering. Is it the age issue or the gay issue? Is it possible that this might be a reaction to Sandusky, with the school trying to cover its ass, especially depending on when he actually turned 18. I had the same reaction the first time, I thought it was a typo. However, whatever flips his quarter, but I do wonder about what exactly the coach was responding to
I actually am using this in my course I am teaching this fall and prompted the students on just what you are wondering. Is it the age issue or the gay issue? Is it possible that this might be a reaction to Sandusky, with the school trying to cover its ass, especially depending on when he actually turned 18. I had the same reaction the first time, I thought it was a typo. However, whatever flips his quarter, but I do wonder about what exactly the coach was responding to
Yes J. Harvey, you’re being judgmental. First of all…I’m just immature enough to find his last name funny. Aside from that though, similar to the way we all have felt, and feel and say on a regular basis when defending same sex relationships in general, consenting adults = no one else’s business. Being puzzled by it is fine, but ridiculing it or voicing the inner turmoil is on par with questioning interracial relationships. It comes across as immature and foolish.
You’re definitely saying what a lot of people are thinking…and as a blogger that’s kinda what you should be doing to provoke comment and thought, so you aren’t actually being overly offensive.
Still I do love how everyone wants feedom for themselves but also wants to impose rules and codes of bahaviour on everyone else. I personally have a 15 year age gap in my relationship. So that informs my perspective a little.
Yes J. Harvey, you’re being judgmental. First of all…I’m just immature enough to find his last name funny. Aside from that though, similar to the way we all have felt, and feel and say on a regular basis when defending same sex relationships in general, consenting adults = no one else’s business. Being puzzled by it is fine, but ridiculing it or voicing the inner turmoil is on par with questioning interracial relationships. It comes across as immature and foolish.
You’re definitely saying what a lot of people are thinking…and as a blogger that’s kinda what you should be doing to provoke comment and thought, so you aren’t actually being overly offensive.
Still I do love how everyone wants feedom for themselves but also wants to impose rules and codes of bahaviour on everyone else. I personally have a 15 year age gap in my relationship. So that informs my perspective a little.
Yes J. Harvey, you’re being judgmental. First of all…I’m just immature enough to find his last name funny. Aside from that though, similar to the way we all have felt, and feel and say on a regular basis when defending same sex relationships in general, consenting adults = no one else’s business. Being puzzled by it is fine, but ridiculing it or voicing the inner turmoil is on par with questioning interracial relationships. It comes across as immature and foolish.
You’re definitely saying what a lot of people are thinking…and as a blogger that’s kinda what you should be doing to provoke comment and thought, so you aren’t actually being overly offensive.
Still I do love how everyone wants feedom for themselves but also wants to impose rules and codes of bahaviour on everyone else. I personally have a 15 year age gap in my relationship. So that informs my perspective a little.
Personally speaking I’m going to pass on a relationship such as this. More power to them but most definitely not my thing. Let me say this though on regards to being booted off the team; there is a difference between passed issues and current ones. Lying,is kind of a big deal. Speaking from experience as an out athlete being gay does become a distraction OFF the field. That being said I did have a teammate kicked off the team for lying about something smaller than this. I’m of the opinion that if he violated a team rule by bringing a private relationship to the field then by all means give his ass the boot. If it was because he likes being skeezed upon by an old man I call bullshit. Creepy but bullshit. FYI, my dead grandfather who passed 4 years ago would only be 67…some food for thought.
Personally speaking I’m going to pass on a relationship such as this. More power to them but most definitely not my thing. Let me say this though on regards to being booted off the team; there is a difference between passed issues and current ones. Lying,is kind of a big deal. Speaking from experience as an out athlete being gay does become a distraction OFF the field. That being said I did have a teammate kicked off the team for lying about something smaller than this. I’m of the opinion that if he violated a team rule by bringing a private relationship to the field then by all means give his ass the boot. If it was because he likes being skeezed upon by an old man I call bullshit. Creepy but bullshit. FYI, my dead grandfather who passed 4 years ago would only be 67…some food for thought.
Personally speaking I’m going to pass on a relationship such as this. More power to them but most definitely not my thing. Let me say this though on regards to being booted off the team; there is a difference between passed issues and current ones. Lying,is kind of a big deal. Speaking from experience as an out athlete being gay does become a distraction OFF the field. That being said I did have a teammate kicked off the team for lying about something smaller than this. I’m of the opinion that if he violated a team rule by bringing a private relationship to the field then by all means give his ass the boot. If it was because he likes being skeezed upon by an old man I call bullshit. Creepy but bullshit. FYI, my dead grandfather who passed 4 years ago would only be 67…some food for thought.
Yeah…it’s pretty disturbing actually, you’re violence vs romance comment. Im in full agreement on that fucked upery.
Yeah…it’s pretty disturbing actually, you’re violence vs romance comment. Im in full agreement on that fucked upery.
Yeah…it’s pretty disturbing actually, you’re violence vs romance comment. Im in full agreement on that fucked upery.
Yeah…it’s pretty disturbing actually, you’re violence vs romance comment. Im in full agreement on that fucked upery.
Yeah…it’s pretty disturbing actually, you’re violence vs romance comment. Im in full agreement on that fucked upery.
So the rationale is that we let the law define when a person is capable of consenting – in a way that doesn’t account the slightest bit for individual cases, as ‘one sixe fits all’ legislation necessarily does – and take it for granted? Do you realize any and all gay sex would still be illegal today in all 50 states if queer people had always had this attitude? Do you realize that it basically amounts to gay people today believing Christopher Isherwood was a criminal, because he met and began a relationship with the 16 year old love of his life (Don Bachardy) when he was 48? Since we’re at it let’s be consistent, and not just say that amen, age disparity is fine provided the younger partner is above an arbitrary legal standard I wouldn’t presume to challenge. That’s not what being a progressive is about.
So the rationale is that we let the law define when a person is capable of consenting – in a way that doesn’t account the slightest bit for individual cases, as ‘one sixe fits all’ legislation necessarily does – and take it for granted? Do you realize any and all gay sex would still be illegal today in all 50 states if queer people had always had this attitude? Do you realize that it basically amounts to gay people today believing Christopher Isherwood was a criminal, because he met and began a relationship with the 16 year old love of his life (Don Bachardy) when he was 48? Since we’re at it let’s be consistent, and not just say that amen, age disparity is fine provided the younger partner is above an arbitrary legal standard I wouldn’t presume to challenge. That’s not what being a progressive is about.
So the rationale is that we let the law define when a person is capable of consenting – in a way that doesn’t account the slightest bit for individual cases, as ‘one sixe fits all’ legislation necessarily does – and take it for granted? Do you realize any and all gay sex would still be illegal today in all 50 states if queer people had always had this attitude? Do you realize that it basically amounts to gay people today believing Christopher Isherwood was a criminal, because he met and began a relationship with the 16 year old love of his life (Don Bachardy) when he was 48? Since we’re at it let’s be consistent, and not just say that amen, age disparity is fine provided the younger partner is above an arbitrary legal standard I wouldn’t presume to challenge. That’s not what being a progressive is about.
So the rationale is that we let the law define when a person is capable of consenting – in a way that doesn’t account the slightest bit for individual cases, as ‘one sixe fits all’ legislation necessarily does – and take it for granted? Do you realize any and all gay sex would still be illegal today in all 50 states if queer people had always had this attitude? Do you realize that it basically amounts to gay people today believing Christopher Isherwood was a criminal, because he met and began a relationship with the 16 year old love of his life (Don Bachardy) when he was 48? Since we’re at it let’s be consistent, and not just say that amen, age disparity is fine provided the younger partner is above an arbitrary legal standard I wouldn’t presume to challenge. That’s not what being a progressive is about.
So the rationale is that we let the law define when a person is capable of consenting – in a way that doesn’t account the slightest bit for individual cases, as ‘one sixe fits all’ legislation necessarily does – and take it for granted? Do you realize any and all gay sex would still be illegal today in all 50 states if queer people had always had this attitude? Do you realize that it basically amounts to gay people today believing Christopher Isherwood was a criminal, because he met and began a relationship with the 16 year old love of his life (Don Bachardy) when he was 48? Since we’re at it let’s be consistent, and not just say that amen, age disparity is fine provided the younger partner is above an arbitrary legal standard I wouldn’t presume to challenge. That’s not what being a progressive is about.
As far as today’s enlightened, gay progressives are concerned, if you were a minor in any of those relationships, the other guy should be put on a public criminal sex offender registry for life, because there are legal registries that state that if you’re below x age, you’re incapable of consenting – period. No regard whatsoever paid to the characteristics of individuals.
I say this because as many have stated, silence on an issue amounts to consent on an issue. Few actually give a fuck about opposing marriage equality outside Bumblefuck, Alabama (though I’ll admit there’s a lot of those in the US – virtually none in Europe) because two grown adults the same age are hardly un-PC today.
Love knows no age the heart wants what the heart wants. If this was a hetro 65 year old man and an 18 year old girl. All you would here is way to go old dude
Had he simply said, that was my boyfriend and gotten kicked
of the team, he would have a case. He
very well could have been kicked off the team for being gay but the problem was
that he lied to the coach, which gave the coach grounds for kicking him off the
team. If he was afraid of getting kicked
off the team for being gay, then he should have thought twice about kissing his
boyfriend at a game. If he was willing
to take that risk then he should not have lied to his coach. He chose to bring his boyfriend to the game, which
is fine, he chose to kiss his boyfriend at the game, which is also fine, so
after making both of those choices in the presence of others, why did he choose
to lie about what he was doing? He was
at a game, not the mall, or a restaurant, he chose to expose his sexuality at a
football game in the stadium, but then he lied about it to his coach. Apparently you have never played college
level athletics, I did for four years at a major university, the number one
rule is you don’t lie to your coach. When
he made the choice to bring his boyfriend to the game then he needs to back up
that choice with honesty.
Had he simply said, that was my boyfriend and gotten kicked
of the team, he would have a case. He
very well could have been kicked off the team for being gay but the problem was
that he lied to the coach, which gave the coach grounds for kicking him off the
team. If he was afraid of getting kicked
off the team for being gay, then he should have thought twice about kissing his
boyfriend at a game. If he was willing
to take that risk then he should not have lied to his coach. He chose to bring his boyfriend to the game, which
is fine, he chose to kiss his boyfriend at the game, which is also fine, so
after making both of those choices in the presence of others, why did he choose
to lie about what he was doing? He was
at a game, not the mall, or a restaurant, he chose to expose his sexuality at a
football game in the stadium, but then he lied about it to his coach. Apparently you have never played college
level athletics, I did for four years at a major university, the number one
rule is you don’t lie to your coach. When
he made the choice to bring his boyfriend to the game then he needs to back up
that choice with honesty.
Had he simply said, that was my boyfriend and gotten kicked
of the team, he would have a case. He
very well could have been kicked off the team for being gay but the problem was
that he lied to the coach, which gave the coach grounds for kicking him off the
team. If he was afraid of getting kicked
off the team for being gay, then he should have thought twice about kissing his
boyfriend at a game. If he was willing
to take that risk then he should not have lied to his coach. He chose to bring his boyfriend to the game, which
is fine, he chose to kiss his boyfriend at the game, which is also fine, so
after making both of those choices in the presence of others, why did he choose
to lie about what he was doing? He was
at a game, not the mall, or a restaurant, he chose to expose his sexuality at a
football game in the stadium, but then he lied about it to his coach. Apparently you have never played college
level athletics, I did for four years at a major university, the number one
rule is you don’t lie to your coach. When
he made the choice to bring his boyfriend to the game then he needs to back up
that choice with honesty.
Had he simply said, that was my boyfriend and gotten kicked
of the team, he would have a case. He
very well could have been kicked off the team for being gay but the problem was
that he lied to the coach, which gave the coach grounds for kicking him off the
team. If he was afraid of getting kicked
off the team for being gay, then he should have thought twice about kissing his
boyfriend at a game. If he was willing
to take that risk then he should not have lied to his coach. He chose to bring his boyfriend to the game, which
is fine, he chose to kiss his boyfriend at the game, which is also fine, so
after making both of those choices in the presence of others, why did he choose
to lie about what he was doing? He was
at a game, not the mall, or a restaurant, he chose to expose his sexuality at a
football game in the stadium, but then he lied about it to his coach. Apparently you have never played college
level athletics, I did for four years at a major university, the number one
rule is you don’t lie to your coach. When
he made the choice to bring his boyfriend to the game then he needs to back up
that choice with honesty.
To be honest, I’d be more mad about him lieing than kissing another guy … but that’s me.
To be honest, I’d be more mad about him lieing than kissing another guy … but that’s me.
these guys are gonna get enough judgement as it is. so i decline to do so. if he wants to be happy with this guy let him. i just hope the guy cares about him and he is not just with him for money.
these guys are gonna get enough judgement as it is. so i decline to do so. if he wants to be happy with this guy let him. i just hope the guy cares about him and he is not just with him for money.
these guys are gonna get enough judgement as it is. so i decline to do so. if he wants to be happy with this guy let him. i just hope the guy cares about him and he is not just with him for money.
I’d like to point out that, despite getting a little judgey about their age difference, I refrained from making fun of dude’s last name. *bows*
I’d like to point out that, despite getting a little judgey about their age difference, I refrained from making fun of dude’s last name. *bows*
I agree. However, I have no idea how to approach sorting out the grey area on such an issue. I have an incredibly hard time with the concepts of restricting liberty to individuals. I also believe that this issue of age is something that hinders understanding and co-operation between western culture and several other societies.
The only way that I can imagine this issue being brought to a level of public debate in a way that can be engaged in and allow people to feel appropriate in their support is for an articulate young person, or group of young people to articulate their desire to have the right to engage in behavior society currently restricts them from. In America full personhood isn’t granted until after 18years of age.
This isn’t entirely arbitrary. Few people under 18 are independant emancipated individuals. They don’t head their own households and are technically owned by their parents. They still live in their parent’s home and are subject to the rules and whims of their parents. the laws as they stand currently support parental control over a child’s life, because minors are not responsible for themselves unless they commit murder in some states.
Some minors are emancipated. There should be a separate understanding for them…but there aren’t.
I agree. However, I have no idea how to approach sorting out the grey area on such an issue. I have an incredibly hard time with the concepts of restricting liberty to individuals. I also believe that this issue of age is something that hinders understanding and co-operation between western culture and several other societies.
The only way that I can imagine this issue being brought to a level of public debate in a way that can be engaged in and allow people to feel appropriate in their support is for an articulate young person, or group of young people to articulate their desire to have the right to engage in behavior society currently restricts them from. In America full personhood isn’t granted until after 18years of age.
This isn’t entirely arbitrary. Few people under 18 are independant emancipated individuals. They don’t head their own households and are technically owned by their parents. They still live in their parent’s home and are subject to the rules and whims of their parents. the laws as they stand currently support parental control over a child’s life, because minors are not responsible for themselves unless they commit murder in some states.
Some minors are emancipated. There should be a separate understanding for them…but there aren’t.
I agree. However, I have no idea how to approach sorting out the grey area on such an issue. I have an incredibly hard time with the concepts of restricting liberty to individuals. I also believe that this issue of age is something that hinders understanding and co-operation between western culture and several other societies.
The only way that I can imagine this issue being brought to a level of public debate in a way that can be engaged in and allow people to feel appropriate in their support is for an articulate young person, or group of young people to articulate their desire to have the right to engage in behavior society currently restricts them from. In America full personhood isn’t granted until after 18years of age.
This isn’t entirely arbitrary. Few people under 18 are independant emancipated individuals. They don’t head their own households and are technically owned by their parents. They still live in their parent’s home and are subject to the rules and whims of their parents. the laws as they stand currently support parental control over a child’s life, because minors are not responsible for themselves unless they commit murder in some states.
Some minors are emancipated. There should be a separate understanding for them…but there aren’t.
There are all sorts of reasons for those under 18 to see their freedoms restricted as you point out – whether we think it’s good or not.
We keep them from drinking because we assume they are less capable of handling the consequences (though oddly, Portugal and Belgium do just fine with the drinking age at 16).
We keep them from having sex with adults because we automatically assume they’ll be exploited (Spain, with the age of consent at 13, is no more ripe with sex abuse than any other country in the West).
Nowadays we also ‘stop’ drug abuse by criminalizing the smallest posession of a relatively problem free drug like marijuana, and fail to look back to the 1800s when drugs were completely free and unregulated, and drug abuse virtually unknown. At its core, this is the same issue with the same problems.
People under 18 are mandated to go to school. They are for the most part forbidden from working full time. They live in a prosperous, developed market economy that does not require them to support their families, or take any steps towards adulthood. At the same time, modern medicine and nutrition are causing puberty to kick in earlier and earlier. This combination of factors is explosive, and society is doing a completely shit job at tackling it.
You can’t expect kids like these to engage in social activism in order to legalize their sexual behavior with adults. The ball’s in their court anyway. In an age of immaturity, no strings attached experimentation is preferable to identity taking. With a phone call or a visit to the police station, they can place the man/woman that did it with them behind bars at any whim, and be canonized as victims. It’s an age of passions and whims, not of intellectual struggle, especially when you’re most likely not intellectually developed. I’m sure there are plenty of exceptions to this, and those youngsters are the ones being most penalized by these laws. These laws aren’t protective – they’re patronizing.
I’m 19 years old myself. I don’t like the fact that it’s more or less OK for me to be with people of a certain age today, but not 10 or 20 years from now. I’m a perfectly functioning member of society; I’m not going to became a sadist, an exploiter or a criminal just because I might grow bald. Just as today, I’m not going to do anything to anyone without their consent, and I don’t believe having completely biologically natural, hormonally charged fun on the back of a truck makes or breaks the very identity and mental wellbeing of anyone under HS senior age.
Is this really so hard for the LGBT rights movement to accept? Don’t make it your key issue. Don’t see it as an element in the fight for equality. None of that is necessary. Just recognize that if you can afford to have self described progressive opinions on issues like healthcare and foreign policy, you can afford to point out that it’s bullshit for America, land of the free, to put thousands of people on a perpetual, public criminal record because they’re old enough to hold a job and they happened to do exactly what some horny 16 year old wanted them to. My two cents.
There are all sorts of reasons for those under 18 to see their freedoms restricted as you point out – whether we think it’s good or not.
We keep them from drinking because we assume they are less capable of handling the consequences (though oddly, Portugal and Belgium do just fine with the drinking age at 16).
We keep them from having sex with adults because we automatically assume they’ll be exploited (Spain, with the age of consent at 13, is no more ripe with sex abuse than any other country in the West).
Nowadays we also ‘stop’ drug abuse by criminalizing the smallest posession of a relatively problem free drug like marijuana, and fail to look back to the 1800s when drugs were completely free and unregulated, and drug abuse virtually unknown. At its core, this is the same issue with the same problems.
People under 18 are mandated to go to school. They are for the most part forbidden from working full time. They live in a prosperous, developed market economy that does not require them to support their families, or take any steps towards adulthood. At the same time, modern medicine and nutrition are causing puberty to kick in earlier and earlier. This combination of factors is explosive, and society is doing a completely shit job at tackling it.
You can’t expect kids like these to engage in social activism in order to legalize their sexual behavior with adults. The ball’s in their court anyway. In an age of immaturity, no strings attached experimentation is preferable to identity taking. With a phone call or a visit to the police station, they can place the man/woman that did it with them behind bars at any whim, and be canonized as victims. It’s an age of passions and whims, not of intellectual struggle, especially when you’re most likely not intellectually developed. I’m sure there are plenty of exceptions to this, and those youngsters are the ones being most penalized by these laws. These laws aren’t protective – they’re patronizing.
I’m 19 years old myself. I don’t like the fact that it’s more or less OK for me to be with people of a certain age today, but not 10 or 20 years from now. I’m a perfectly functioning member of society; I’m not going to became a sadist, an exploiter or a criminal just because I might grow bald. Just as today, I’m not going to do anything to anyone without their consent, and I don’t believe having completely biologically natural, hormonally charged fun on the back of a truck makes or breaks the very identity and mental wellbeing of anyone under HS senior age.
Is this really so hard for the LGBT rights movement to accept? Don’t make it your key issue. Don’t see it as an element in the fight for equality. None of that is necessary. Just recognize that if you can afford to have self described progressive opinions on issues like healthcare and foreign policy, you can afford to point out that it’s bullshit for America, land of the free, to put thousands of people on a perpetual, public criminal record because they’re old enough to hold a job and they happened to do exactly what some horny 16 year old wanted them to. My two cents.
I guess that Kuntz gettin’ eaten (by his 65 year old boyfriend).
the fact manhunt celebrates this kinda crap proves the site is run by child molesters
It’s gross they were having a public make out session. Doesn’t matter if you’re gay, straight or chihuahua, over-the-top public affection is inappropriate. And bigotry and statistics aside, their relationship is a ruse. The minute this kid meets some beefy football player his own age, grandpa won’t be part of the family anymore. In the meantime, get him on Jake Cruise getting his cute ass munched and plowed. The end.
It’s gross they were having a public make out session. Doesn’t matter if you’re gay, straight or chihuahua, over-the-top public affection is inappropriate. And bigotry and statistics aside, their relationship is a ruse. The minute this kid meets some beefy football player his own age, grandpa won’t be part of the family anymore. In the meantime, get him on Jake Cruise getting his cute ass munched and plowed. The end.
It’s gross they were having a public make out session. Doesn’t matter if you’re gay, straight or chihuahua, over-the-top public affection is inappropriate. And bigotry and statistics aside, their relationship is a ruse. The minute this kid meets some beefy football player his own age, grandpa won’t be part of the family anymore. In the meantime, get him on Jake Cruise getting his cute ass munched and plowed. The end.
It’s gross they were having a public make out session. Doesn’t matter if you’re gay, straight or chihuahua, over-the-top public affection is inappropriate. And bigotry and statistics aside, their relationship is a ruse. The minute this kid meets some beefy football player his own age, grandpa won’t be part of the family anymore. In the meantime, get him on Jake Cruise getting his cute ass munched and plowed. The end.
No ones business I am 50 and my other half is 30, people like different types everyone has different tastes. As long as they are happy in the relationship nothing else should matter. The fact that he was removed from the team is discrimination no doubt about it. Who he chooses to be with is no ones business.
No ones business I am 50 and my other half is 30, people like different types everyone has different tastes. As long as they are happy in the relationship nothing else should matter. The fact that he was removed from the team is discrimination no doubt about it. Who he chooses to be with is no ones business.
What’s the most disturbing if the lie he came up with…
Either way a kiss or a make out to say it was a kiss between family members is weird.
Does anyone kiss their grandfather on the lips?
For some to say it’s because it’s a huge age gap so they aren’t both attractive it’s almost a fifty year age gap that makes it creepy it basically is like he’s doing grandpa…
Also personally I don’t cheer or go bat shit happy when an older man more than ten years is dating a young lady.
We all have preferences and we will always judge, however most of you might agree how odd this situation is.
What’s the most disturbing if the lie he came up with…
Either way a kiss or a make out to say it was a kiss between family members is weird.
Does anyone kiss their grandfather on the lips?
For some to say it’s because it’s a huge age gap so they aren’t both attractive it’s almost a fifty year age gap that makes it creepy it basically is like he’s doing grandpa…
Also personally I don’t cheer or go bat shit happy when an older man more than ten years is dating a young lady.
We all have preferences and we will always judge, however most of you might agree how odd this situation is.
Well played. 🙂
Congratulations on being a fucking idiot.
Are the people posting in this thread non-judgmental, open-minded liberals? Or…are they aging pervs, reserving the right to exploit their very own 18 year old after the social security benefits kick in? Hmmm….
Are the people posting in this thread non-judgmental, open-minded liberals? Or…are they aging pervs, reserving the right to exploit their very own 18 year old after the social security benefits kick in? Hmmm….
As long as Kuntz is happy… then good for him, but I wouldn’t be able to date someone that old myself while I’m still so young. That said, I question why the older half is so interested in one so young? I’m only 21 and I find 18 year olds to have awful dating potential. I guess what I’m trying to say is I just wonder what they talk about because there’s no way the relationship is purely physical (it’s long-distance afterall).
As long as Kuntz is happy… then good for him, but I wouldn’t be able to date someone that old myself while I’m still so young. That said, I question why the older half is so interested in one so young? I’m only 21 and I find 18 year olds to have awful dating potential. I guess what I’m trying to say is I just wonder what they talk about because there’s no way the relationship is purely physical (it’s long-distance afterall).
if this works for Kuntz, then all the better for him… all i’ll say is that this *way* exceeds the half plus seven rule…
if this works for Kuntz, then all the better for him… all i’ll say is that this *way* exceeds the half plus seven rule…
Why should people care for dumb rules?
Why should people care for dumb rules?
well…first off…it is nobody’s business what they do…secondly, we as a gay community need to stand up and end the discrimination within our own ranks…here we are fighting for our lives for equality and yet we condemn a Jan/Dec relationship? I say bully for them who found love-regardless of how temporary or how long it may last…we should be backing their relationship rather than allowing our own societal skew to affect our cause….
well…first off…it is nobody’s business what they do…secondly, we as a gay community need to stand up and end the discrimination within our own ranks…here we are fighting for our lives for equality and yet we condemn a Jan/Dec relationship? I say bully for them who found love-regardless of how temporary or how long it may last…we should be backing their relationship rather than allowing our own societal skew to affect our cause….
Somewhere, Thomas Mann and Christopher Isherwood are smiling at that.
You get congratulated for being a fucking idiot? God Damnit I should have been congratulated years ago.
You might be surprised how folks think in, it’s Bumfuck here, Alabama. I moved from my small north AL town to my partner’s even smaller north AL town so as not to disturb his son’s school environment. The school figured it out. My stepson has never been accosted or made fun of. No one in Wal-Mart looks at us twice. We are boring as mud but this is our nice quiet life. Married or not. It’s always the loud mouths who get air time. And it’s by these individuals that large groups/states get judged.
Not my cup of tea but to each their own. He can see whoever he wants to. Plenty of examples in the straight world!
Not my cup of tea but to each their own. He can see whoever he wants to. Plenty of examples in the straight world!
aw, that just bumped you up an extra-notch on the ‘maturity’ meter, J. Harvey!
*insert sarcasm anywhere*
hmmm, you’re in your 40’s but wouldn’t date 65… just curious: would you date 23?
a person can also be made unhappy and abused/exploited by a person his own age.
two people (in a relationship/pairing) the same age can be at quite different maturity/experience levels.
(it’s still possible, even in the year 2012, folks.)
when looked at, in that light, i wonder if we should be wagging fingers at jamie and his companion?
it sounds like an assumption is being made that jamie was approached by the elder — not the other way around.
(not that it would matter if it was, in fact, the elder who initiated contact, as long as jamie was not coerced.)
…
show me a relationship that is completely functional, non-eventful, on-going, and has lasted for decades, and i will show you a bridge over in san francisco that you might be interested in purchasing.
let the old man have his thrills until it’s his time to go.
if their relationship isn’t meant to work out then hopefully those two will go their separate ways without inflicting/incurring major injury.
if that can’t happen..
..well, how will you go about regulating january/december relationships, without regulating anything else that isn’t a little more likely to cause issues?
as for Coach Parsons..
..i’m going to assume he might have been acting under homophobia when he made the decision to kick jamie off.
otherwise, there should be a simple blanket-rule stating “no sexy time while on the clock.
“it matters not who you’re doing it with.
“just.. ..don’t.”
<where is the problem ? if they like each other, let them be
<where is the problem ? if they like each other, let them be
<where is the problem ? if they like each other, let them be
…I’m sure the coach wasn’t the only one bothered by the PDA displayed on the bench. I’m sure there were a few complaints from other players and parents from both sides. I’m sure there were probably some people who supported the team who might have literally said to the coach “get that boy off the team or else we’re pulling our backing.” Because making out with anyone at a game, unless it’s another player, is always wrong.
…I’m sure the coach wasn’t the only one bothered by the PDA displayed on the bench. I’m sure there were a few complaints from other players and parents from both sides. I’m sure there were probably some people who supported the team who might have literally said to the coach “get that boy off the team or else we’re pulling our backing.” Because making out with anyone at a game, unless it’s another player, is always wrong.
…I’m sure the coach wasn’t the only one bothered by the PDA displayed on the bench. I’m sure there were a few complaints from other players and parents from both sides. I’m sure there were probably some people who supported the team who might have literally said to the coach “get that boy off the team or else we’re pulling our backing.” Because making out with anyone at a game, unless it’s another player, is always wrong.
Byron, the age of consent varies from location to location but mostly it’s 16, 17 or 18. Since he’s 18, that’s legal. You would think nothing of a 20 year old showgirl hooking up with a 70 year old millionaire, so why the double standard?
Byron, the age of consent varies from location to location but mostly it’s 16, 17 or 18. Since he’s 18, that’s legal. You would think nothing of a 20 year old showgirl hooking up with a 70 year old millionaire, so why the double standard?
Byron, the age of consent varies from location to location but mostly it’s 16, 17 or 18. Since he’s 18, that’s legal. You would think nothing of a 20 year old showgirl hooking up with a 70 year old millionaire, so why the double standard?
This is gross. One it’s a shame cause the kid is hot. I know thats superficial, but hey this is America baby. Two this kid proabaly has major daddy issues or is robbing this old guy blind. Three this would be fucked up no matter what the sexual orintation or gender of the partners. I seriously doubt there is a whole bunch of actual love in this relationship. I realy hope someone talks some sense into this kid or he is getting paid a shit load of money. Finally, did anyone think Anna Nicole when they read this?
65 is a bit extreme!!! i read this yesterday and was completely disgusted. i agree harvey.. ugh that is just so appalling. no wonder gays are antagonized, it’s guys like him who make homosexuality look bad. JUST SAYIN’
There’s a serious problem within the gay community, an extremely muddled message. In all the political statements and movements across the country everyone always screams “treat us the same, we’re just like you!!”, but whenever there’s ANY kind of actual media attention on the gay community, it centers around exactly how we’re NOT the same, and how we ARE different from the straight community.
The best way to gain acceptance, is to blend in and not make blatantly obvious all the differences. Try as people may to explain away how dating someone 47 years your senior (or junior) is “their choice” and “shouldn’t be a problem” the vast majority of people (gay OR straight) see it as NOT NORMAL!! And frankly, if we want to be seen as equal, our reactions to situations like this should reflect that. In the straight community when a young 18 ish year old woman is dating the skeevy 60-80 year old, everyone goes “ewww, WHY?!?!??” and they do NOT accept it, though are too afraid of the backlash to say so too publicly. If straight people didn’t care when this happened, it wouldn’t appear all over the media when it did.
The best example of how this mixed message is sent, is the pride parade. It is the ONE day a year where media attention is pretty much guaranteed for our community. All year, we try to send the message that we’re just like you, and we are the same, so treat us the same. Yet the one day where people get a look at our lives and what we do, what do we show them? “OH LOOK HOW DIFFERENT WE ARE!!!” and the message comes off as “ACCEPT US DAMNIT!!!! LOOK AT US LOOK AT US LOOK AT US!!!!!” It’s mind boggling to me how we as a community can see this as acceptable.
In the case of Jamie here, the coach maybe shouldn’t have kicked him off the team, although i do personally believe that some sort of punishment is necessary. Just because he’s 18 does NOT mean he’s making good decisions, whether fueled by homophobia or not, the coach was attempting to make a point that his behavior was not acceptable, and i happen to agree.
There’s a serious problem within the gay community, an extremely muddled message. In all the political statements and movements across the country everyone always screams “treat us the same, we’re just like you!!”, but whenever there’s ANY kind of actual media attention on the gay community, it centers around exactly how we’re NOT the same, and how we ARE different from the straight community.
The best way to gain acceptance, is to blend in and not make blatantly obvious all the differences. Try as people may to explain away how dating someone 47 years your senior (or junior) is “their choice” and “shouldn’t be a problem” the vast majority of people (gay OR straight) see it as NOT NORMAL!! And frankly, if we want to be seen as equal, our reactions to situations like this should reflect that. In the straight community when a young 18 ish year old woman is dating the skeevy 60-80 year old, everyone goes “ewww, WHY?!?!??” and they do NOT accept it, though are too afraid of the backlash to say so too publicly. If straight people didn’t care when this happened, it wouldn’t appear all over the media when it did.
The best example of how this mixed message is sent, is the pride parade. It is the ONE day a year where media attention is pretty much guaranteed for our community. All year, we try to send the message that we’re just like you, and we are the same, so treat us the same. Yet the one day where people get a look at our lives and what we do, what do we show them? “OH LOOK HOW DIFFERENT WE ARE!!!” and the message comes off as “ACCEPT US DAMNIT!!!! LOOK AT US LOOK AT US LOOK AT US!!!!!” It’s mind boggling to me how we as a community can see this as acceptable.
In the case of Jamie here, the coach maybe shouldn’t have kicked him off the team, although i do personally believe that some sort of punishment is necessary. Just because he’s 18 does NOT mean he’s making good decisions, whether fueled by homophobia or not, the coach was attempting to make a point that his behavior was not acceptable, and i happen to agree.
jj345 – You lift me higher. And I inserted your sarcasm into my sacred recta.
Dewitt – you my Banks, boo.
jj345 – You lift me higher. And I inserted your sarcasm into my sacred recta.
Dewitt – you my Banks, boo.
I’m 32…
I’m sure that the fact that he is gay or that his boyfriend
is 65 years old played a role in this, but unfortunately since he lied we will
never know. The official reason cited
for his being kicked off the team was for lying to the coach when asked who he
was kissing. Lying to the coach, teacher
or any school official is listed in the rule book as grounds for being kicked
off the team. I have heard people say, “don’t
blame the victim, he felt he had to lie or else get kicked off the team”; that
is no excuse because if he was that afraid of people finding out he was gay,
then he shouldn’t have brought his boyfriend to the game and then kiss him at
the game. Plain and simple he never
should have lied to the coach.
Byron you’re an ignorant cunt… Apparently you have never played any college sports, I played varsity baseball, for a major university, for four years. When you sign up to play a varsity sport you agree to abide by the rules set up by the athletic department. He lied to his coach when asked a direct question about who he was kissing. That lie was grounds for his being kicked off the team, regardless of whatever other reasons there may be. He admitted to lying, but said that he did so because he panicked. If he was so worried about someone finding out he was gay, then why the fuck would he bring his boyfriend to a game and kiss him in the pressbox in front of other people? This whole “I was discriminated against because I’m gay” shit needs to stop so that people who are true victims can get a fair shake. J. Harvey is brilliant, and has a job which is probably more than you can say.
Byron you’re an ignorant cunt… Apparently you have never played any college sports, I played varsity baseball, for a major university, for four years. When you sign up to play a varsity sport you agree to abide by the rules set up by the athletic department. He lied to his coach when asked a direct question about who he was kissing. That lie was grounds for his being kicked off the team, regardless of whatever other reasons there may be. He admitted to lying, but said that he did so because he panicked. If he was so worried about someone finding out he was gay, then why the fuck would he bring his boyfriend to a game and kiss him in the pressbox in front of other people? This whole “I was discriminated against because I’m gay” shit needs to stop so that people who are true victims can get a fair shake. J. Harvey is brilliant, and has a job which is probably more than you can say.
Byron you’re an ignorant cunt… Apparently you have never played any college sports, I played varsity baseball, for a major university, for four years. When you sign up to play a varsity sport you agree to abide by the rules set up by the athletic department. He lied to his coach when asked a direct question about who he was kissing. That lie was grounds for his being kicked off the team, regardless of whatever other reasons there may be. He admitted to lying, but said that he did so because he panicked. If he was so worried about someone finding out he was gay, then why the fuck would he bring his boyfriend to a game and kiss him in the pressbox in front of other people? This whole “I was discriminated against because I’m gay” shit needs to stop so that people who are true victims can get a fair shake. J. Harvey is brilliant, and has a job which is probably more than you can say.
Byron you’re an ignorant cunt… Apparently you have never played any college sports, I played varsity baseball, for a major university, for four years. When you sign up to play a varsity sport you agree to abide by the rules set up by the athletic department. He lied to his coach when asked a direct question about who he was kissing. That lie was grounds for his being kicked off the team, regardless of whatever other reasons there may be. He admitted to lying, but said that he did so because he panicked. If he was so worried about someone finding out he was gay, then why the fuck would he bring his boyfriend to a game and kiss him in the pressbox in front of other people? This whole “I was discriminated against because I’m gay” shit needs to stop so that people who are true victims can get a fair shake. J. Harvey is brilliant, and has a job which is probably more than you can say.
Byron you’re an ignorant cunt… Apparently you have never played any college sports, I played varsity baseball, for a major university, for four years. When you sign up to play a varsity sport you agree to abide by the rules set up by the athletic department. He lied to his coach when asked a direct question about who he was kissing. That lie was grounds for his being kicked off the team, regardless of whatever other reasons there may be. He admitted to lying, but said that he did so because he panicked. If he was so worried about someone finding out he was gay, then why the fuck would he bring his boyfriend to a game and kiss him in the pressbox in front of other people? This whole “I was discriminated against because I’m gay” shit needs to stop so that people who are true victims can get a fair shake. J. Harvey is brilliant, and has a job which is probably more than you can say.
He was not kicked out for kissing him, he was kicked out for lying about who he was, there is a difference. As I said in another comment, being gay or the fact that his boyfriend is 65 could have played a part in it but that point became moot when he broke the rules by lying to his coach. If he was so concerned about people finding out he was gay then he shouldn’t have brought his boyfriend to the game and kissed him in the pressbox in front of other people. I would feel differently about this if he was caught anywhere else and questioned about that, but he was caught in the stadium, during a game.
He was not kicked out for kissing him, he was kicked out for lying about who he was, there is a difference. As I said in another comment, being gay or the fact that his boyfriend is 65 could have played a part in it but that point became moot when he broke the rules by lying to his coach. If he was so concerned about people finding out he was gay then he shouldn’t have brought his boyfriend to the game and kissed him in the pressbox in front of other people. I would feel differently about this if he was caught anywhere else and questioned about that, but he was caught in the stadium, during a game.
The other thing that is being left out of this story is that he was in the press box to film the game, not make out. Do people not understand that being gay does not excuse you from following rules? He had a job to do, a job that he volunteered for. I can assure you that regardless of who he had in the press box with him, had he been caught in a lie by his head coach he would be in trouble. I played 4 years of baseball for a major university, and lying to your coach is tantamount to lying to a judge. Being that he was a freshman with no game time under his belt, what reason was there to not get rid of him?
That is the case, he was dismissed from the team for lying to the coach.
That is the case, he was dismissed from the team for lying to the coach.
there HAS to be a limit in age acceptance..18 to 65…WOW. Major age gap and in all honesty what would they truly have in common?
What you said. Ageism and lookism is pandemic in the gay “community.” This site is an example of it. Gays will never achieve equality until they start treating each other equally. This site has a tremendous opportunity to battle bigotry within the gay “community,” but won’t. It just keeps saying that the only gays worth anyone’s are contained withing a narrow definition of what’s “hot.”
What you said. Ageism and lookism is pandemic in the gay “community.” This site is an example of it. Gays will never achieve equality until they start treating each other equally. This site has a tremendous opportunity to battle bigotry within the gay “community,” but won’t. It just keeps saying that the only gays worth anyone’s are contained withing a narrow definition of what’s “hot.”
Wait – what? Did you read the post? Did it sound like I was celebrating, hammerhead?
Wait – what? Did you read the post? Did it sound like I was celebrating, hammerhead?
Wait – what? Did you read the post? Did it sound like I was celebrating, hammerhead?
Wait – what? Did you read the post? Did it sound like I was celebrating, hammerhead?
Wait – what? Did you read the post? Did it sound like I was celebrating, hammerhead?
If it was an 18 year old girl with a much older guy nothing would have been said!
really? so there was not a million hours of news coverage of anna nicole? the only difference was that everyone KNEW why she hooked up with the geezer.
okay… i’m not a big fan of the thought of a nearly 40 yr age difference, but i don’t think it has anything to do with this situation. I also don’t believe that if another player had been caught in flagrante delicto with a female old enough to be his history professor that he would have been given more than a slap on the wrist.
Gay or straight, the perpetual obsession with the fountain of youth persists in modern society that subliminally presents in everyday life – beauty magazines, adverts, etc… So maybe the coach did judge Jamie for his choice of partner but we would never know unless we get both sides of the story.
In all fairness, we can all agree that denotatively, love is love and should be celebrated and recognised because it is a universal right. Connotatively, we draw upon our various backgrounds based on societal values, cultural inculcations, etc.. and define “love” in accordance to what we feel comfortable with.
Having said that, the root of most (if not all) conflicts stems from the lack of respect and understanding of what we DO NOT understand. We tend to judge and point fingers at something that we do not know and are afraid of (the unknown). Most visionaries were laughed at when they suggested, in all atrocity, that the earth was round instead of flat, that men could fly, etc.. by the people who lack the precise understanding (and creativity) of what they can never comprehend beyond the limits of their tunnel vision.
Case in point, harsher and stronger words today are all too ready to be flung at anyone who claims something that we may not understand. Bigots, hypocrites, alligators, etc.. you get the drift. The basic lack of respect coupled with strong cultural principles (ingroup vs outgroup) makes it harder for communications to be bridged when it is already fraught with socio-political tones.
I believe that words are invented alongside with the invention of actions. So which is worse? Necrophilia or pedophilia? My point is, who are we to judge? But we do judge. The fabric of right vs wrong has been hazed with the colorful world of me vs you.
You can agree to disagree but one thing for sure, one man’s meat may be another’s poison. And oh, the only thing ALL of us have in common, regardless of race, culture, etc.. is that we are all growing older – minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day, week by week, month by month, year by year. What are we spending our time on, exactly?
May/December relationships have been judged to no end simply because we can see the idea of obsession with the fountain of youth but we can never quite reconcile with our basal lack of understanding just because we do not subscribe to that particular school of thought. Same goes for any other types of incomprehension. So when there is lack of understanding, we make it up for respect. The idea of having equality for everyone is based on the idea of respect, not understanding. Maybe perhaps with respect, understanding can follow but we can never respect what we don’t understand, or at least that’s what I have observed.
In straight world, we see young nubile girl with older men and we think “cradle snatchers” plus “gold digger”. In gay world, we think the same or worse. We are fueling more negativity than we think we are.
If there’re a few things that I can concur that doesn’t discriminate, that’s stupidity, idiocy, lack of respect and understanding; and fear of the unknown.
Gay or straight, the perpetual obsession with the fountain of youth persists in modern society that subliminally presents in everyday life – beauty magazines, adverts, etc… So maybe the coach did judge Jamie for his choice of partner but we would never know unless we get both sides of the story.
In all fairness, we can all agree that denotatively, love is love and should be celebrated and recognised because it is a universal right. Connotatively, we draw upon our various backgrounds based on societal values, cultural inculcations, etc.. and define “love” in accordance to what we feel comfortable with.
Having said that, the root of most (if not all) conflicts stems from the lack of respect and understanding of what we DO NOT understand. We tend to judge and point fingers at something that we do not know and are afraid of (the unknown). Most visionaries were laughed at when they suggested, in all atrocity, that the earth was round instead of flat, that men could fly, etc.. by the people who lack the precise understanding (and creativity) of what they can never comprehend beyond the limits of their tunnel vision.
Case in point, harsher and stronger words today are all too ready to be flung at anyone who claims something that we may not understand. Bigots, hypocrites, alligators, etc.. you get the drift. The basic lack of respect coupled with strong cultural principles (ingroup vs outgroup) makes it harder for communications to be bridged when it is already fraught with socio-political tones.
I believe that words are invented alongside with the invention of actions. So which is worse? Necrophilia or pedophilia? My point is, who are we to judge? But we do judge. The fabric of right vs wrong has been hazed with the colorful world of me vs you.
You can agree to disagree but one thing for sure, one man’s meat may be another’s poison. And oh, the only thing ALL of us have in common, regardless of race, culture, etc.. is that we are all growing older – minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day, week by week, month by month, year by year. What are we spending our time on, exactly?
May/December relationships have been judged to no end simply because we can see the idea of obsession with the fountain of youth but we can never quite reconcile with our basal lack of understanding just because we do not subscribe to that particular school of thought. Same goes for any other types of incomprehension. So when there is lack of understanding, we make it up for respect. The idea of having equality for everyone is based on the idea of respect, not understanding. Maybe perhaps with respect, understanding can follow but we can never respect what we don’t understand, or at least that’s what I have observed.
In straight world, we see young nubile girl with older men and we think “cradle snatchers” plus “gold digger”. In gay world, we think the same or worse. We are fueling more negativity than we think we are.
If there’re a few things that I can concur that doesn’t discriminate, that’s stupidity, idiocy, lack of respect and understanding; and fear of the unknown.
My partner and u have 13 year gap he’s 19 I’m 32
Though we are taking a break as to get a couple life challenges out of the way
We love eachother and much to my surprise I fell for someone
His age when before I didn’t think I should or could
You don’t choose the one you fall for at least not as
Long as you have strong morals and values but I agree 40 years is pushing it like exstreamly and am a little unsettled by that large of a gap
Thank you! He was breaking the rules, and he was a freshmen. People get kicked off teams all the time for doing stupid shit like this. Plus the lying, so why would the coach keep an untrustworthy player on his team. He should have been kicked off the team on those grounds alone, end of story.
So we’re ignoring the facet that he broke the rules, wasn’t doing what he was suppose to be doing, and he lied to his coach?
So we’re ignoring the facet that he broke the rules, wasn’t doing what he was suppose to be doing, and he lied to his coach?
So we’re ignoring the facet that he broke the rules, wasn’t doing what he was suppose to be doing, and he lied to his coach?
I agree with the columnist, I have whole respect for this couple but I do not understand why a young and attractive man can feel sexual attraction for an old person. Everyone likes the best, and if he is in position to get a hunky boy, it is incomprehensible to me that he can prefer a guy with a deteriorated or unpleasant body. Beside, nobody likes to watch a elderly man in sexual attitude and certainly not with a young boy, the gerontophilia is not a pleasant or nice thing. Sorry, it is better that they make their things in private. But anyway I have respect for them; they can make what they want.
Don’t expect it here. This site continues to promote the “young” things as being the only things that’s “hot.” Dewitt and Harvey will protest otherwise, but we know it’s true. They continue to promote lookism and ageism as standard among the gay “community.”
Don’t expect it here. This site continues to promote the “young” things as being the only things that’s “hot.” Dewitt and Harvey will protest otherwise, but we know it’s true. They continue to promote lookism and ageism as standard among the gay “community.”
my first and only bf (current) i was 18 and he was 50, now im 24 hes made me happy , age is nothing but a number.
my first and only bf (current) i was 18 and he was 50, now im 24 hes made me happy , age is nothing but a number.
We’re not like everyone else. We’re a sexual minority – we’re supposedly different from the heteronormative mold. Trying to make ourselves ‘look like everyone else’ and abide by heteronormative thought’s social norms is Uncle Tomism.
movies. art. literature.
movies. art. literature.
movies. art. literature.
movies. art. literature.
Actually, a few years back there was this case where an Italian man had kissed his daughter on the lips on a beach and got arrested for molestation. I don’t remember which country, but the point is that in his area of Italy, that’s a common thing to do to show affection, but that wasn’t the case where he got arrested (Not Italy, mind you) Thus, the possibillity is there for people kissing their grandparents on the lips.
That said, I find it odd and unusual with such an age gap like you do. My family thinks 5 years senior or minor my own age as extremes is… how to explain it? “Why not your own age-ish”, for me to aim at until I explain that my market’s much more limited, so I can’t be as picky as they can. They get my drift, and I can understand relationships with an agegap around 15 years, but much further than that and it’ll be like dating your parents. I wonder how my parents’d react to meeting my boyfriend as someone who could’ve been my father…
But to each their own, right?
Actually, a few years back there was this case where an Italian man had kissed his daughter on the lips on a beach and got arrested for molestation. I don’t remember which country, but the point is that in his area of Italy, that’s a common thing to do to show affection, but that wasn’t the case where he got arrested (Not Italy, mind you) Thus, the possibillity is there for people kissing their grandparents on the lips.
That said, I find it odd and unusual with such an age gap like you do. My family thinks 5 years senior or minor my own age as extremes is… how to explain it? “Why not your own age-ish”, for me to aim at until I explain that my market’s much more limited, so I can’t be as picky as they can. They get my drift, and I can understand relationships with an agegap around 15 years, but much further than that and it’ll be like dating your parents. I wonder how my parents’d react to meeting my boyfriend as someone who could’ve been my father…
But to each their own, right?
wow. Answered by the mod. that’s a first xD
Forgive the ‘tard response. I see your point, and I have to admit I was a little quick to define where those agegaps are found.
Honestly I don’t know if any of his teammates’d get kicked off for kissing the cougar-girlfriend. I think as the world is rather heteronormative it’d be frowned upon less than Kuntz’s case, but he’d still be kicked off the team. I mean, in the west huge agegaps are frowned upon, and some even find it wildly disturbing and unnatural.
I won’t claim to understand the subject completely as I have no experience in the matter, but I think as I’ve read the more recent post on this matter that being kicked off the team was a wrong decision of the coach. As you point out, a heterosexual pairing of the kind’ve make less uproar, but it would be one, so I understand why he lied at first. First comes the dilemma of coming out. Then there’s the agegap. If the lie had been about drugs or something of the illegal kind, I’d be more understanding to the Coach’s decision. But it was his boyfriend! He should’ve been more understanding, although as many’ve pointed out including Kuntz, bringing the boyfriend to the game was stupid.
I am 67 and my boyfriend is 29, he chose me and overcame all my objections to the relationship. We are coming up on the two year mark and still very happy. What is the big deal. He happens to be extremely Hot but after 2 months of NO, the “I could have anybody but I chose you” line is what got me.
Age is only a number…what doesn’t work for you may work for someone else…when I was in my 20’s, I liked older men, guys who were 10 or 20 years older than me…now that I’m 47, I like guys my age or older…or even younger…it’s all in the individual guy, how they are at a person, their maturity, intelligence, etc
Age is only a number…what doesn’t work for you may work for someone else…when I was in my 20’s, I liked older men, guys who were 10 or 20 years older than me…now that I’m 47, I like guys my age or older…or even younger…it’s all in the individual guy, how they are at a person, their maturity, intelligence, etc
The only rule he broke was lying to his coach. Fear got the better of him and he paid the price.
The only rule he broke was lying to his coach. Fear got the better of him and he paid the price.
you don’t have to “understand” how this younger guy can find an older guy attractive. it’s none of your business. be attracted to who you are attracted to, and let this guy do the same. what you *can* understand is that “everyone likes the best,” but the “best” varies from person to person. i’m dating a guy 23 years younger than i am. it works for us. he doesn’t find guys his age attractive. it really boggles my mind why this is an issue for people.
you don’t have to “understand” how this younger guy can find an older guy attractive. it’s none of your business. be attracted to who you are attracted to, and let this guy do the same. what you *can* understand is that “everyone likes the best,” but the “best” varies from person to person. i’m dating a guy 23 years younger than i am. it works for us. he doesn’t find guys his age attractive. it really boggles my mind why this is an issue for people.
you don’t have to “understand” how this younger guy can find an older guy attractive. it’s none of your business. be attracted to who you are attracted to, and let this guy do the same. what you *can* understand is that “everyone likes the best,” but the “best” varies from person to person. i’m dating a guy 23 years younger than i am. it works for us. he doesn’t find guys his age attractive. it really boggles my mind why this is an issue for people.
you don’t have to “understand” how this younger guy can find an older guy attractive. it’s none of your business. be attracted to who you are attracted to, and let this guy do the same. what you *can* understand is that “everyone likes the best,” but the “best” varies from person to person. i’m dating a guy 23 years younger than i am. it works for us. he doesn’t find guys his age attractive. it really boggles my mind why this is an issue for people.
why does their HAVE to be? why isn’t there a limit as to what sex or gender we can be with? when i was 18, i was listening to the “oldies” and loved the literature of my parents’s generation. i was involved with politics and loved fine food and film. this very limited attitude is curious, because it’s the same mentality of many heteros who oppose gay rights.
why does their HAVE to be? why isn’t there a limit as to what sex or gender we can be with? when i was 18, i was listening to the “oldies” and loved the literature of my parents’s generation. i was involved with politics and loved fine food and film. this very limited attitude is curious, because it’s the same mentality of many heteros who oppose gay rights.
maybe he doesn’t like being skeezed on by a guy his own age. ever think about that possibility?
maybe he doesn’t like being skeezed on by a guy his own age. ever think about that possibility?
if you have had a real asshole of a father – dont’ we just have the greatest way to heal that with love, friendships, control of our own, and a desire to mentor and be mentored? That’s all it is. Sorry for all those straight guys who get messed up with a father and never or rarely get a mentor or mature person who gives a crap about them. Now do they heal that trauma? 58 and 24 – and it’s not so unusual. It’s all in the intentions of both parties involved and not even any of our business. But it is sexy.
wasn’t doing what he was supposed to be doing? What r u talking about? If he’s kissing someone – and young and afraid of rejection honesty goes out the window with severe discrimination from a person who has power – he was terrified. And I bet you denied your identity three times before the cock crowed, Peter. Get real. Coach was a terminator asshole bigot. We all clam up with homophobia – I did until 22. Get real, give the kid a break, man. You’re so wrong. You can say values are the issue – and I say – fear was used – intimidation was the issue.
bigot. what kid in senior high or college has the confidence to get over the fact – ONE: the ability to know the outcome of your choices – the lymbic system is growing 3000% from 21 – 25. He’s 18. Get over YOURSELF. Honesty my ass. We’re all terrified with abuse used on us even as an adult. Get off the pot grandpa and get with the times – parent my ass – I have three kids – and one is gay. I stood up against this stuff a dozen times. I won five times. And I’ll stand up for him until he says stop or I die. But I would never say rules are rules are rules? Who the hell are you, Mr. Bigot of 1929?
bigot. what kid in senior high or college has the confidence to get over the fact – ONE: the ability to know the outcome of your choices – the lymbic system is growing 3000% from 21 – 25. He’s 18. Get over YOURSELF. Honesty my ass. We’re all terrified with abuse used on us even as an adult. Get off the pot grandpa and get with the times – parent my ass – I have three kids – and one is gay. I stood up against this stuff a dozen times. I won five times. And I’ll stand up for him until he says stop or I die. But I would never say rules are rules are rules? Who the hell are you, Mr. Bigot of 1929?
bigot. what kid in senior high or college has the confidence to get over the fact – ONE: the ability to know the outcome of your choices – the lymbic system is growing 3000% from 21 – 25. He’s 18. Get over YOURSELF. Honesty my ass. We’re all terrified with abuse used on us even as an adult. Get off the pot grandpa and get with the times – parent my ass – I have three kids – and one is gay. I stood up against this stuff a dozen times. I won five times. And I’ll stand up for him until he says stop or I die. But I would never say rules are rules are rules? Who the hell are you, Mr. Bigot of 1929?
homophobia is not something you can justify. Ignorance is something you educate. And there’s enough funding that you have no right ot assume the fear of others as legitimate when homophobia is the core if the issue. It always has been. That’s why jocks don’t come out as kids, or as adults in pro sports.
Ignorance is spreading, I see it crawling up your leg. Chill, pops, you don’t sound like much of a parent if you’re afraid of what others think of your kid rather then the fact that society says in many places men can marry – so if we can date and marry – this is POST stonewall the last time I checked. Grow a set, SIR Billy.
homophobia is not something you can justify. Ignorance is something you educate. And there’s enough funding that you have no right ot assume the fear of others as legitimate when homophobia is the core if the issue. It always has been. That’s why jocks don’t come out as kids, or as adults in pro sports.
Ignorance is spreading, I see it crawling up your leg. Chill, pops, you don’t sound like much of a parent if you’re afraid of what others think of your kid rather then the fact that society says in many places men can marry – so if we can date and marry – this is POST stonewall the last time I checked. Grow a set, SIR Billy.
homophobia is not something you can justify. Ignorance is something you educate. And there’s enough funding that you have no right ot assume the fear of others as legitimate when homophobia is the core if the issue. It always has been. That’s why jocks don’t come out as kids, or as adults in pro sports.
Ignorance is spreading, I see it crawling up your leg. Chill, pops, you don’t sound like much of a parent if you’re afraid of what others think of your kid rather then the fact that society says in many places men can marry – so if we can date and marry – this is POST stonewall the last time I checked. Grow a set, SIR Billy.
lying why? fear of rejection makes us do things to protect our hearts from being stomped on. it’s not a fair world, it’s not an inclusive world and if you had some balls you’d see the fear broke his joy and self esteem. It was homophobic. What about a 18 year old girl and 65 year old man? Discrimination if you say it’s about gender or age.
lying why? fear of rejection makes us do things to protect our hearts from being stomped on. it’s not a fair world, it’s not an inclusive world and if you had some balls you’d see the fear broke his joy and self esteem. It was homophobic. What about a 18 year old girl and 65 year old man? Discrimination if you say it’s about gender or age.
lying why? fear of rejection makes us do things to protect our hearts from being stomped on. it’s not a fair world, it’s not an inclusive world and if you had some balls you’d see the fear broke his joy and self esteem. It was homophobic. What about a 18 year old girl and 65 year old man? Discrimination if you say it’s about gender or age.
There’s a line in a Lyle Lovett song: “the boys from North Dakota drink whiskey for their fun”. I think he must have been loaded with booze to fall for a 65 year old.