Is this the same guy who screamed at us to “leave Britney alone?” I’m sort of taken aback. I assumed he was just a drooling bimbo maniac. Chris Crocker, who has apparently been able to make a career out of his YouTube videos, posted this vid voicing his opinions on masculine homosexuals versus effeminate ones. I am withholding my opinion on this one (cuz’ damn, the response to that Blake Shelton post from yesterday STILL has me licking my wounds, you guys are tough!) but I am curious as to what our readers think? Does Crocker have some good points? Watch the video and voice YOUR opinion.
– J. Harvey
annoying fags that’s what I think of them
I think he’s matured a lot since that Leave Britney Alone episode. And I think that he has a lot of good points in that vid.
Sorry but if a women flaps her hands carries on and on and on I’ll tell her to keep quiet and sit down. Fem gays are more like women yes?and treating everyone equally I would hence carry forward the same theory and I’ll tell a queen to keep quiet and sit down too because the whole dramatisation of everything is too much. Masc gays are generally more intraverted and if you took a intravert and extravert and put them in a room they would rub each other up the wrong way. Seriously…. Anything to get attention. Serious bunch of toss in my opinion at least…. Oh and p.s. I’m more femme but guess I just think outside the box
Fem fags are annoying. Conversely, I’ve yet to meet a truly masculine gay guy– they just put on an act. It’s funny as hell hearing a homo use words like “dude” and “bro”. Kills me. Once you get to know them they are just as nelly as the faggy guys. Spend your life around real straight men every day like I do, and you can pick the gay guy out of a crowd in 5 seconds.
@ravrry wow, talk about self-hate – I’m just blown away, dude.
I think this guy may have had some good points in general but I think he should look at the bigger scheme of things. Masculinity is not something that u acted, it’s something that is exude n the same go for femininity. Furthermore, what’s the purpose of fems acting like they do anyway. It’s not necessary n saying “it’s who u/they r” is total bs cuz I can use that same line for being a dick (which I’m not). At the end of the day, nothing will change so just do u like no1 else can!!!
No offense Guys, But I think all of the comments so far have had a certain flair of ignorance to them.
I think masculinity and femininity are very fluid. I have known some of the butchest manliest str8 men, and watched them have moments or reactions that people would term as very feminine. I have also seen very masculine moments with super gay men. I think how people act and carry themselves is just an expression of how they view themselves…If some gay men view themselves with certain outward appearing feminine qualities that doesnt necessarily mean they don’t have what it takes to be a man…If you are annoyed by displays of feminism or garishness or “Loud queens” whether they are guys or girls, that is more of a reflection on you than it is on that particular person with whom you are annoyed…I just think you guys are too caught up in the whole appearance of things. I am an equal oppurtunity employer…I used to only date very masculine acting men, but the guy I am dating now gets alot of flack from other gay guys, but he is one of the funniest and toughest guys I know, but he has to be to put up with me. I have always viewed myself as masculine and people didnt know I was gay until I told them, but I think recently I do certain thngs or say certain things that straight men who are afraid of looking less manly would never say or do. But I don’t mind 😉 hahah…just live your life and respect other people…if you are constantly annoyed with people that look or act a certain way, look inward first…
The basic flaw in his arguments is that he assumes most masculine gay men are in the closet. That being said, he’s made a lot of good points.
He’s made a great observation of self-loathing and discrimination between these two types within the community. His view is of course biased because he seems to be very much the “feminine gay” he’s taking his stance on. The fact that he’s lashing out against masculine gay men perpetuates the battles between masculine vs. feminine even more.
From my understanding, some masculine men can fit very easily into Chris’ broad generalizations, but not most. When he claims this happens to most masculine gay men he runs into, he’s making a generalization based on his experience that may beinherently and mistakably flawed.
I will NEVER avoid a guy who either claims or seems more feminine because that’s just how he is. I’m not the epitome of a masculine gay guy by any means. I mean, c’mon, I so into musical theater it’s ridiculous. But even so, I’m not easily identified as gay because I don’t have many of the various identifiers that have been socially constructed to ‘identify a gay’.
Our community, in my view, needs to be more supportive of our own people. We’re all going through the same things, but unfortunately, we’re all closing our minds.
I’m one of the people who is indeed guilty of saying that being gay is just one part of me. But I’m also one of the people who’s not going to hate or think less of anyone who naturally get more intention.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that there is jealousy within our community of “feminine” types, because they get more attention from men than those who aren’t as easily identifiable as gay.
“Coming out” is different for everyone and to assume that if everyone would just come out, all of these issues and hostilities would wither away is sheer ignorance. Chris makes the point that it is a “straight” culture out there and I couldn’t agree more. Some people need to blend in in order to feel secure and you know what? That’s perfectly fine because that’s their choice. But what isn’t such choice is how we behave naturally and how comfortable we feel in our skin and environment. So, if you find yourself in an environment where you’re comfortable, you can’t expect everyone else to find comfort in the same one.
When it comes to my personal attraction to men, I could care less about masculinity and femininity. I care more about the person’s comfort with their selves than whether or not they look or sound different. Confidence is a turn on, but so is shyness. Everyone’s too picky these days, so when we talk about these broad topics, it’s hard to assume that it’s JUST these things that repulse some people.
My words of advice for all members of our community: don’t polarize yourself from making friends with people you wouldn’t otherwise be attracted to. The great thing about friends is that they can inspire you and love you for who you are. This is something this community and all others will need for the rest of time.
Love thy neighbor, now matter how fabulous or generic.
@huntah: Wow, thanks for further creating derogatory terms to insult people. That’s classy. Besides the fact that using the term ‘fag’ is demeaning to people around you, and perhaps to yourself.
@Joygasm: I would say that to anyone who was being over dramatic, gay/straight, man/woman, whatever. People who act like the world revolves around them need to learn differently, but until they decide it’s not, we can’t change that idea. I do agree with you that introverts and extroverts clashing is never a good idea.
@ravrry: Again, fags? Really guys? Are we twelve? Grow up. Fag is still something that people use in a derogatory manner, and the fact that you’re saying that femininity is inferior to masculinity further pits yourself against not only effeminate gay men, but also women in general. The people you’re speaking about are simply trying to fit in with mainstream culture, being effeminate is not a life-style choice, it’s something that people can’t help but be. I act in a regularly masculine manner, but I never assume that someone is gay/bi/straight until I find out from them otherwise. Sexuality is too fluid to be boxed up in the way that mainstream society does. And it’s despicable that people continue to portray the idea that gay men should only be hyper effeminate. I agree that maybe I’m slightly more attracted to ‘masculine’ guys than to ‘feminine’ guys, but that doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate feminine gay men. They’re also great people. The stereotypes that people portray are of immaturity and the fact that they are very self-absorbed. I can also name numerous heterosexual males that are just as self absorbed as a stereotypical ‘queen’. So, lay the fuck off and step off. We’re all stuck in this together, and we may not have to like each other, but tolerance is what everyone should be aiming for.
Coming from a so-called “butch bottom,” I find these social categorizations tedious. Nice to see that the crying nimrod took a “Sociology of Gender” course at some point in college. Still, to be the one to defend Britney and then go all moralistic on us gives me the same queasy feeling I get when a politician changes his/her mind to whichever way the wind blows.
That said, I’ve not read so much absolute sexist garbage. It’s shameful what people will say behind internet anonymity.
I have to agree with him completely. As a VERY closeted, married white masculine bi man, I have people comment on feminine gay men all the time. And they only make those comments to me because they believe me to be straight. So very often I want to say something like I suck dick better than he does! But that would end my family, marriage, business, etc… What I would like to see is a time when it is OK to be openly bisexual, gay, or whatever you are. It won’t happen in my lifetime, but I so wish it would!
@Eccomi09: I’m not saying I agree with everything he said. If he’d ended his vlog with a calm statement rather than ‘fuck off’ I probably would have taken it better. I also do find it rather ridiculous that he can do a total 180 from ‘Leave Brittney Alone!’ to this. But I also agree that the sexist garbage needs to stop. There are too many men in the gay community who are just as sexist as any ‘stereotypical’ straight men.
Oh fuck, here we go again. Masc, fem. Masc, fem. Masc, fem. I am so goddamned tired of gays dividing themselves into two groups based on what “society” terms as male and female qualities. And I really am shocked at the sexist comments on this page. No wonder we can’t get straight people to take us seriously, since we spend so much time and energy bitching among ourselves. “manly” gays vs “womanly” gays. Gays hating on Bi people. Gays hating on Trannies.
Get over these goddamned petty problems and MOVE THE FUCK ON. We have more important things to be concerned with, such as AIDS and receiving fair treatment under the law.
Kudos to Vince! How honest and forthcoming. I’m married, and thanks to social pressures, I never even realised I was homosexual until after being married with two children!
Since then, I’ve travelled all over the US and hooked up with literally hundreds of guys…. if not more….
I’d venture that less than 10% of them were effiminate. My conclusion after all these years is that the stereotypicl effeminate gay guy is more the exception than the rule.
And BTW: I’ve enjoyed the 90% masculine studs as well as the unique perspective of humor and self-deprecating sluttiness of some of the effeminate guys. I love ’em ALL!
The moral of the story is: lighten the fuck up guys! I’m convinced the stereotype effeminate gay guy is the exception, not the rule. I’m just so proud that BOTH types can find the freedom to be themselves and enjoy their masculinity (overt or suppressed)!
IMO, everything in it’s appropriate place is accepted. So, when we do something inappropriate, that’s when it becomes annoying/disturbing to us.
I look at masculine & feminine as opposites that are appropriate in their proper places. When anyone acts TOO feminine(ie. passive,dramatic(emotional,etc.)) then it’s annoying. And, when anyone acts TOO masculine (ie. aggressive,insensitive(cold,)etc.) it’s also annoying.
“Extremism in any form is done for attention.” And that’s ANNOYING !!!
So, everything in it’s PROPER place is always acceptable 😉 Can you dig it ? lol
Wow. That’s so crazy that you posted this because I literally just finished writing a song about discrimination within the gay community. I get where he’s coming from.
There is a lot of assumptions in his dialogue that are his own. Statements like “I don’t care what anyone else thinks…” sort of kills the conversation doesn’t it? There will always be masculine and feminine men. It should be a note here that there are straight feminine men as well who experience the same prejudice as effeminate gay men. I may depart from the path a bit by saying I think sexuality is on a bell curve and Masculine Feminine also falls on a bell curve. Very few are on the extreme ends of these characterists. Certainly self acceptance and confidence is the right direction for anyone. Part of confidence allows us to socialize with anyone and not feel their behaviour reflects on us. It is their behaviour, but you may either like or don’t care for the person. The issue not truly represented is the “over acting” that is seen as obnoxious. Face it, if you get in someone’s face they are going to react regardless of the masculine or feminine nature of the act. When you are in someone’s space, it might be a good idea to respect the space. Homophobia can be addressed simply, calmly and directly. Call it out for what it is, “That’s homophobic” and “It doesn’t serve the community to express homophobic comments.” But to change, we have to face our own homophobia. In all cases try to see the person behind the behaviour. I consider myself a masculine gay man. I was married to a woman for over ten years and I was not faking the sex. I enjoyed it. I later came to appreciate my feelings and attractions for men was greater and have been in a relationship with a man for fifteen years. He was a body builder, but certainly is more recognizable as gay than I have been. People over time have come to expect to see us together, straight and gay alike. Always asking where the other person is. No one has been disrespectful directly and I often know when they do so indirectly because it comes back to me. I say kill them with kindness. Make them feel ashamed for their backward behaviour by being the good person you really are. It also might not hurt to be yourself and not over act. And don’t say you don’t know what I mean. Camping it up can be fun, but again in the right space with the right friends. But expecting everyone to accept or understand it is naive. Flipping off the masculine side is also homophobic Mr. Crocker!
This is all about labels and all labels are meaningless.
why do flamers take 5 minutes (and Hollywood-style melodramatics!) to make a point that would’ve taken 30 seconds to make?? 😛
WOW….really..so because I don’t look or act or sound gay that means I am in the closet? Ya I don’t think so. Some guys come out of the closet being gayer than Christmas. If that’s what make them happy then fine. But not all gay guys have to be OUT and proud as some might say. I am gay…most of my co-workers know and some had no idea. It’s not because I hide it as this guy somewhat states. It’s because I am just me. I do not feel the need, want or desire to be all out and show it. This video is partly the reason why I don’t bother with the so called gay community and anything else that says or screams gay. There is nothing in my home that says I am gay. I just don’t feel the need to change who or what I am by advertising it.
DRAMA…it lives in the community.
just because you are gay does not mean you need to be out and proud as this guy seems to claim you should be….UGH…
He’s full of shit, wasn’t he wearing weaves not too long ago. We’ve all seen fem gays who in fact play up the drama and such.
I get a lot of his points but at the exact same time he is feeding into his own bs rant. His “dude, bro” mocking making masculine gays sound like dumb jocks.
I am a masculine gay, I played college football, I still play sports, I go camping, work on cars, drink a beer with the boys – but I am gay and I am out about it. At the same time I do not feel the need to shake someones hand and say “Hi, my name is Jason and I’m a homosexual.”
wow… such deep conversation… I just think he looks so much hotter (personality aside) in comparison to his britney video, I mean wow! Hahaha
What he said hits the nail right on the head. I’ve done it with “masculine” guys and it was so boring I could’ve saved the time and just mailed it in. I’ve done it with “feminine” guys and fireworks went off. And vice-versa.
Gay-on-gay discrimination is hyper-prevelant in the “community” (and, let’s be honest here, guys, we don’t have a “community”), and so long as we hate on each other, we are not deserving of “equal rights” from and among the straights. When anyone whines about not having stuff like “marriage equality,” look within your own “community” about how much “equality” there is. There is none. A house divided against itself cannot stand.
So I’m an ambiguous gay who is completely out. I say ambiguous since I have many masculine moments and feminine ones from time to time as well. I have several feminine gay friends and the reason why I do not enjoy being seen with them as often as say my bull dyke friends or other ambiguous gays (which any straight person can tell our group is melting pot of rainbow) is because they are overly dramatic and annoying to me. Not because I self hate, but because they make a big deal out of everything and post videos on how everyone hates them and discriminates them while they discriminate everyone else in the process. Get over yourself, take a breather, and move on.
Masculine/feminine. It’s not that black and white. Just like pretty much everything in life, there’s different degrees to it and we all fluctuate somewhere between the two. I consider myself pretty masculine, but I know I’m at my most feminine when I’m clothes shopping or whenever a bug gets too close to me and I scream like a little girl and run away. I gotta give this guy kudos for sparking a pretty nice debate here, but other than an expanded vocabulary, I see no marked improvement between this video and his “leave Britney alone” thing.
If it wasnt for drag queens and more Feminie gays… we wouldnt have gay rights. They were the ones at stonewall kicking the shit out of cops not us.
I love all my people. have dated both and friends who are both.
People in life are way to judgemental. Never dark enough, never white enough, never skinny enough or what not.
Society in general would rather put people down than bring them up. Hopefully some day it will change but unfort i dont see it. So i say this…
I still think you guys are cute*wink*
I swear, there are more judgmental people within the “gay community” than in the straight world…
I disagree with his assessment of “masculine gays.” While MANY would fit his description, there are some of us who are just our own person. There are extremes on both sides that focus on the visuals of masculinity and femininity. I’ve seen “femmes” who are trying to get attention and I’ve seen “masculine” guys who try SO hard to appear masculine. They hit the gym, beef up, play sports, use douchey colloquialisms and try to avoid appearing feminine as much as possible.
Why is it so hard to just be your own person? I’m a naturally “butch” guy in the way I think, speak and move, but I don’t care about *looking* the part. I’m totally open about myself, and I’m already discriminated against enough for tattoos, piercings, etc. I have a lot of different friends from all orientations and lifestyles. If someone doesn’t like the “femme” friend sitting next to me, that’s THEIR problem.
It aggravates me we squabble over shit like this. No wonder the media doesn’t take “gay rights” seriously.
ravrry im sure the “real” straight men you hang around all call you a faggot behind your back
ProlapsingBunnies if your “friends” for whatever reason are overly dramatic and annoying to you,obvioulsy you arent a real friend to them
tiger40
its obvious from your post that your kind of self loathing
i haven’t looked at chris’s video yet.
i shall, in a little while, though.
once i do, i look forward to adding my own 2¢ to the kitty.
(as a forewarning to some: i don’t harbor a bad opinion of mr. crocker.
which translates into, i won’t be looking for a reason to dissent with the fellow.
i’m not one to “brown•nose” either; so if chris does, in fact, say some things that are lame, then i’ll gladly acknowledge as much.)
To me, Chris Crocker seems like a young, naive, uneducated, narrow-minded individual spouting off opinion arrogantly as if it were fact. He lacks depth and perspective, and is unfortunately emblematic of a culture that has a million voices talking at once (good), with the dumbest often the loudest (bad).
…says the guy who cut his long blond hairs and starts growing a beard and wearing a chain and singing hip hop songs…
Wow! This has certainly stirred it up. That’s waaaaaay too many words to read up there but I’m glad that Chris shared HIS opinion. Doesn’t mean it’s right…doesn’t mean it’s wrong. It just means that it is his opinion. There is no need to judge it or him for having it. If we all dropped our judgmental behaviors and let our authentic selves emerge and be whatever they are naturally WITHOUT JUDGMENT life could be so easy and so much more enjoyable. Femme, butch, gay, straight, bi…they’re all just labels. Labels limit us by their definition and we are all so much more than any of those labels.
why judge anyone except to say like or dislike? So I’m an extroverted masculine man except when I’m not. I have moments of being extroverte and introverted, masculine and once in a blue moon a little wild. But if it’s gay masc vs gay fem it’s sexism rearing it’s ugly head. It’s my combo for happiness and I dont’ need approval for it. And it’s not something to judge in others.
SO happines to all. Lest we forget – the queens were the only ones fighting religiously en masse with Stonewall. SO if masculine is defined – we all fall short in tenacity and righteous rebellion and rage for a cause.
Best line I’ve ever used to a heterosexual … HOW DARE YOU ASSUME I’M HETEROSEXUAL! It wakes them up fast and shows if they have a sense of humour.
GAY? I resemble that remark!
What a load of crap. His message seems to be that if you don’t wear pink chiffon and communicate more language with your hands than your mouth you aren’t out of the closet. Being gay is my sexuality, not my lifestyle. I’m not part of the victim class like many gays put themselves in.
I think he has more of a problem with himself than the STR8 acting world because we N the STR8 acting world can pull it off step N & out of closet at R own choosing. where as if he steps N 2 the closet everyone knows he just going N there 2 get something & will be right out. How many time’s has a STR8 acting guy been OUTED by feminine acting gay with GRUDGE 2 grind !! ( Hell has no furry like feminine gay scorn )
You’re right DJ Fruit Loops. I am not their friend since they have become acquaintances. As soon as the unwarranted drama starts for the sake of drama I cut off any close connection.
Wow. I’ve sort of missed this troll-train. 😛 It shouldn’t matter, really. I see good ol’ crazy Crockers point, even if he doesn’t make it well – these so called “Masculine” guys hate the so called “Feminine” guys are actually just displaying a form of self hate – because they fear the feminine part of themselves.
I haven’t really run into this discrimination much tho… My gay friends tell me I’m pretty faggy, but I don’t think they realise I kick it up a notch for them. But I think, even when I’m not doing that, I’m pretty darn gay. 😉 So I sort of agree with people that it’s more fluid – and it really depends on the situation I’m in.
Anyway, and as far as I’m concerned, in the wise words of Homer Simpson – I like my beer cold, and my homosexuals flaming.
Oh, and when did this crazy-assed tranny mess get so CUTE??? He’s looking good, even if he’s still a bit of a dumb biznatch. =)
yep.
it was exactly as i expected.
chris didn’t say anything wrong.
(and i know for a fact he wasn’t putting forth that every single masculine-aligned male same-gender-seeker is guilty of the charges he had pressed.
so, get that out of your heads, for cripes’ sakes!)
a lot of you, above me, had took your solace in, apparently, discounting/negating the entirety of chris’s post:
• by nitpicking at some of the little irrelevant things he said (or how he’d said these)
• or by bringing up his past. (oh? how old was he, anyway, when he was “wailing about Britney,” by-the-by?)
• probably.. ..because he is a “Feminine Gay.” (which defines the very purpose of his making the video, wouldn’t you say?)
i mean, i’m well aware that he’s “acted out” before.
but, yeah?
what of it?
he’s killed how many people?
he’s started how many bloody wars?
he’s deprived how many people of equal opportunity for socio•economic success?
he’s tripped-up how many Old Ladies?
oh?
all he’s done is “act out”?
his only real offense is just being “out there” (not my opinion of him, mind you)?
maybe the people who are really setting back the “gay movement” are those of you who are so extremely terrified of being discovered that you will continue to live a lie. (all while involving entire “loved ones” others in it.)
:-).
digressing, chris is right — how many of you masculine-aligned guys are, in fact, willing to be seen hanging around a non-masculine guy (outside of same-gender-seeking_friendly venues)?
i can admit that i, myself, am not.
(most of the time.)
because i really don’t feeling like having to potentially defend myself (and, perhaps, my companion) every time someone “has a problem with us.”
i’m kinda afraid of getting beat up (or even killed).
so, yeah, i do enjoy the benefit of somewhat-safely navigating the Straight World while simultaneously enjoying the benefit (somewhat) of the Gay World.
i don’t envy The Lot of those who just aren’t able to conceal their sexuality — and i’m really saddened that the non-masculine SGSs do, truly, face discrimination from the very individuals whom one would presume they can seek out Solace when they come upon a time of need.
i might not actively seek out those guys’ company, but i don’t go around making them feel like they’re not worthy of even existing, either.
(now, obviously, if someone’s prone to acting like a dick, then i don’t want to keep his company.
whether one’s a masculine-dick or a not-masculine dick is distinctionless to me: the only real difference between the two, usually, is just the level of flamboyancy/visibility exuded.)
(T.B.C.)
i watched that and then i typed in “leave britney alone” to gain some background and perspective on this guy.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. that is all.
Dude. You can totally replace the terms “feminine gay” and “masculine gay” with “black-acting black” and “white-acting black” and see how that works.
First off he is right in the fact that nobody should be discriminated against in any community for being the way that they are. That being said he should probably follow his own advice. I am sorry for anything he or other “feminine” gays have had to take from “masculine” ones on top of the built in shit taken for simply being gay but I felt that much of what he said, while grounded in some truth was not quite right. When he walks into a room his demeanor tells people that he is probably gay while the masculine gay guy who walks in behind him gets no judgement. While this is unfair it is not the fault of the masculine acting guy and he shouldn’t have to announce to the room at large that he is gay just like the feminine acting guy shouldn’t. While there are plenty of jerks out there I don’t think you should come down on someone just because they aren’t out or don’t shout their gayness from the rooftops. Yeah I admit that there is an advantage to being gay and “fitting into the straight world” but you shouldn’t hold it against people just because they happen to do so. There are plenty of masculine acting gay guys that don’t broadcast it but if asked straight up would tell you that they were gay. Also attraction to a specific type of person shouldn’t be confused for hate. I’m not saying that this is what he is talking about I’m just speaking from experience here. Just because someone is attracted to “masculine acting guys” it doesn’t mean that he is hating on “feminine acting guys”. I just don’t think that people should be painted with broad strokes and everything isn’t so black and white as some would suppose.
tl;dr — why not just look at the entire picture which chris had painted instead of picking through the little splotches on his canvas or, for that matter, focusing on the flaws (perceived or real) of the painter?
Isn’t this a bit hypocritical, i mean I’ve been out to everyone in my life since i was 15 and i always get surprise when i come out. It seems that you’ve met a few closet cases that play up their masculinity in order to seem more hetero in the hetero world, but there are fems out there who do the opposite and become much more effeminate when around their female friends or other gay men. We as a culture suffer from this need to be one thing or the other, to polarize take sides, and its really sad
some good points, and plenty of crap. for a start i’ve been out for a while, and i’m neither particularly effeminate or masculine, and i don’t think anyone has to be either one. the crap about masculine guys hating effemintes…. not that i’ve seen, they just usually don’t go for them, true about masculine gays being less well-known in the media, but that’s quite possibly just because they usually don’t make much of a show, and are less obvious just as people compared to gays who are really obviously gay (like me) frankly i don’t think it’s a contest, and it’s not really much of a comunity from what i’ve seen, we’re just people in the same boat, and i havn’t had much hate from people, in fact, most of my misery at the hands of others is from gay guys, there’s no need to spparate ourselves from straight people, they aren’t the enemy, the enemy is our need to label ourselves, after we label ourselves ‘gay’ so now some fools think they not only have to come out as gay, but now they’re ‘fem gay bottom’ or ‘masc gay top’. it’s silly, it’s juvinile, and it’s beneth us all. (p.s. life is indevidual, do what you want and be who you are, who gives a fuck what a bunch of tools think?)
Oh my god! I didn’t think it was really like he said, but it seems I stand corrected. I’m very effeminate, and it causes problems. There’s been times I’ve gone out to clubs wearing eyeshadow, because I genuinely enjoy it. It’s fun to me I just like wearing it. Mind you these are gay clubs . And I’ll be enjoying my drink, dancing, having fun with my friends, and I’ll hear a gay person say,”Oh, look at that flamer”. I’m minding my own business, and trying to enjoy myself where I thought, obviously I was wrong, I could be myself. Gay people are shady, hateful, evil people. All these people on here talking mad, cash money, shit about flamers. I’m not saying if you’re attracted to masculine men, that go out and fuck a queen. But even if you see a flamboyant gay man don’t be hateful, just live your life and let them live theirs. Bc people should just let people be happy. Gay people are the first to call a homophobic straight person on their ignorance, but are so quick to ignore the hatred that goes on in our own back yards. And when I see gay people telling these teens, it gets better, I think theyre hypocrites. Because guy what little suicidal queeny boys, when you go to a gay club you deal with gay people calling you fag, queer, flamer. With all this suicide, and inequality going on we need to embrace one another not push each other away. Because at the end of the day we all take it up the ass, and want the same things and same happiness. Damnit, is that just too much to ask.
Oh my god! I didn’t think it was really like he said, but it seems I stand corrected. I’m very effeminate, and it causes problems. There’s been times I’ve gone out to clubs wearing eyeshadow, because I genuinely enjoy it. It’s fun to me I just like wearing it. Mind you these are gay clubs . And I’ll be enjoying my drink, dancing, having fun with my friends, and I’ll hear a gay person say,”Oh, look at that flamer”. I’m minding my own business, and trying to enjoy myself where I thought, obviously I was wrong, I could be myself. Gay people are shady, hateful, evil people. All these people on here talking mad, cash money, shit about flamers. I’m not saying if you’re attracted to masculine men, that go out and fuck a queen. But even if you see a flamboyant gay man don’t be hateful, just live your life and let them live theirs. Bc people should just let people be happy. Gay people are the first to call a homophobic straight person on their ignorance, but are so quick to ignore the hatred that goes on in our own back yards. And when I see gay people telling these teens, it gets better, I think theyre hypocrites. Because guy what little suicidal queeny boys, when you go to a gay club you deal with gay people calling you fag, queer, flamer. With all this suicide, and inequality going on we need to embrace one another not push each other away. Because at the end of the day we all take it up the ass, and want the same things and same happiness. Damnit, is that just too much to ask.
Oh my god! I didn’t think it was really like he said, but it seems I stand corrected. I’m very effeminate, and it causes problems. There’s been times I’ve gone out to clubs wearing eyeshadow, because I genuinely enjoy it. It’s fun to me I just like wearing it. Mind you these are gay clubs . And I’ll be enjoying my drink, dancing, having fun with my friends, and I’ll hear a gay person say,”Oh, look at that flamer”. I’m minding my own business, and trying to enjoy myself where I thought, obviously I was wrong, I could be myself. Gay people are shady, hateful, evil people. All these people on here talking mad, cash money, shit about flamers. I’m not saying if you’re attracted to masculine men, that go out and fuck a queen. But even if you see a flamboyant gay man don’t be hateful, just live your life and let them live theirs. Bc people should just let people be happy. Gay people are the first to call a homophobic straight person on their ignorance, but are so quick to ignore the hatred that goes on in our own back yards. And when I see gay people telling these teens, it gets better, I think theyre hypocrites. Because guy what little suicidal queeny boys, when you go to a gay club you deal with gay people calling you fag, queer, flamer. With all this suicide, and inequality going on we need to embrace one another not push each other away. Because at the end of the day we all take it up the ass, and want the same things and same happiness. Damnit, is that just too much to ask.
Oh my god! I didn’t think it was really like he said, but it seems I stand corrected. I’m very effeminate, and it causes problems. There’s been times I’ve gone out to clubs wearing eyeshadow, because I genuinely enjoy it. It’s fun to me I just like wearing it. Mind you these are gay clubs . And I’ll be enjoying my drink, dancing, having fun with my friends, and I’ll hear a gay person say,”Oh, look at that flamer”. I’m minding my own business, and trying to enjoy myself where I thought, obviously I was wrong, I could be myself. Gay people are shady, hateful, evil people. All these people on here talking mad, cash money, shit about flamers. I’m not saying if you’re attracted to masculine men, that go out and fuck a queen. But even if you see a flamboyant gay man don’t be hateful, just live your life and let them live theirs. Bc people should just let people be happy. Gay people are the first to call a homophobic straight person on their ignorance, but are so quick to ignore the hatred that goes on in our own back yards. And when I see gay people telling these teens, it gets better, I think theyre hypocrites. Because guy what little suicidal queeny boys, when you go to a gay club you deal with gay people calling you fag, queer, flamer. With all this suicide, and inequality going on we need to embrace one another not push each other away. Because at the end of the day we all take it up the ass, and want the same things and same happiness. Damnit, is that just too much to ask.